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Post by danie on Dec 15, 2011 18:31:37 GMT 2
No problem Charles - you can just throw R5000.00 at the party . ;D Just remember, only the best part available will be used during this rebuilt........ Regards Danie
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Post by Charles on Dec 15, 2011 18:33:07 GMT 2
Danie that is the only way to go.
Charles
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Post by danie on Dec 28, 2011 20:54:59 GMT 2
I am assembling my Lada's original engine at the moment....: Danie
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Post by hotstuff on Dec 29, 2011 10:28:53 GMT 2
I am assembling my Lada's original engine at the moment....: Danie looking good danie
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Post by hotstuff on Dec 29, 2011 10:30:20 GMT 2
just a hint Danie use copper gasket sealer very good to seal those small nicks etc on head and block and gives a good seal too. regards mike
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Post by hotstuff on Dec 29, 2011 10:30:59 GMT 2
but i guess you have torqued up already
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Post by danie on Dec 29, 2011 17:05:56 GMT 2
Thanks Mike - in the past I have used copper grease and even grease on Head Gaskets, but in this case I did not use anything.
To my knowledge the main reason why most people do use copper grease on gaskets, is because copper grease makes it easier to remove the gaskets from the engine block and Cylinder Head.
Also, some Gasket manufacturers do not re-comment any "sealing product" on their gaskets - I am not sure about the Lada gaskets though.
Regards
Danie
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Post by RATEL on Jan 12, 2012 13:19:37 GMT 2
There is just so much to read here and time is little, although there are fantastic pics Danie!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D What is the update on the Fiat engine? Have you installed it, how does it drive? Parts availability? I don't know which page it is on and don't have the time right now to look it up. Sorry
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Post by bobbyd on Jan 17, 2012 7:22:24 GMT 2
Sneak peak of my fiat. All ready to go just got a bit of reality in the way (two navigators) Attachments:
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Post by Ladaniva on Jan 17, 2012 8:51:41 GMT 2
Hi Danie, Man, oh man, that 1600 Fiat twin cam cross flow engine does it for me!! Goodness. You made my day by posting that picture. Thanks. Why you do not fit the Fiat engine instead of the Niva engine is above my comprehension. Surely there is something you can "smous" to get the money to take the plunge (like a supercharger? You mos saw that the mod Trev (big and small) did, worked well, very well? That Niva engine looks good, and to doubt the quality of the VAZ gaskets, especially nowadays, will only be a sign of ignorance. I would love to know how the reliability of the Niva engine compares to the famous Toyota 1600 16 valves, with the improvements of fitting fuel injection, improved lubrication products, engine management systems and electric fans. My personal view is it will easily outlast any Volkswagen or Toyota engine (new engines). Regards, Fanus
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jan 17, 2012 9:17:24 GMT 2
Hi Fanus
The pic above yor post is Bobby's twin cam 1800.
Ari
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Post by dimitris on Jan 17, 2012 11:07:27 GMT 2
Hi all
Here in Greece recent years the law has changed and is very difficult,it is almost prohibited to put on a car engine from another manufacturer. For this reason some convert the engine Lada1700 cc to 2000 cc. There is a set of pistons, piston rings, crankshaft, bearing shells.....etc for the convertion, from Russia. Those who have made the conversion, they say that are very happy. I wrote this ..... for your information.
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Post by hotstuff on Jan 17, 2012 11:18:55 GMT 2
Hi all Here in Greece recent years the law has changed and is very difficult,it is almost prohibited to put on a car engine from another manufacturer. For this reason some convert the engine Lada1700 cc to 2000 cc. There is a set of pistons, piston rings, crankshaft, bearing shells.....etc for the convertion, from Russia. Those who have made the conversion, they say that are very happy. I wrote this ..... for your information. please tell me more as i have a few clients who are very keen for this myself included. regards mike
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Post by dimitris on Jan 17, 2012 12:48:11 GMT 2
Hi Doctor You will benefit money of it ...... so I want a percentage!! ;D ;D ;D
Well ...... The only information which I have is from the greek forum (which now does not work). I know that some garages that repair niva in Athens, doing this conversion and that it costs about 1500 - 2000 Euros, parts and installation. (Expensive!) Those who wrote about this,said that they had more horsepower and improved torque. I do not know to tell you if they had some problems long after.
During my free time in searching on various websites, I had seen this kit on a russian website. I'll try to find the link again and I'll give it to you.
Regards Dimitris
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Post by RATEL on Jan 17, 2012 15:43:32 GMT 2
Dimitri, I would also like to know about that! I do believe it will be a much cheaper and better conversion than fitting a different engine for more power and torque... ;D ;D ;D My aim is to run a aircon with no hassle... I know Toadie has got an aircon in but I do not know how it runs.
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Post by dimitris on Jan 17, 2012 18:18:47 GMT 2
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Post by danie on Jan 17, 2012 18:34:13 GMT 2
There is just so much to read here and time is little, although there are fantastic pics Danie!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D What is the update on the Fiat engine? Have you installed it, how does it drive? Parts availability? I don't know which page it is on and don't have the time right now to look it up. Sorry Hi Darius Sorry, I haven't visited the forum for a couple of days during the previous week, and I did not see your post . I will respond later on your questions - this 2liter Lada engine mods is really interesting, so let's see what is coming up first . ;D sites.google.com/site/veselovolada/goods/lada/enginesites.google.com/site/veselovolada/goods/lada/boostRegards Danie
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Post by dimitris on Jan 17, 2012 19:34:43 GMT 2
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jan 17, 2012 19:40:15 GMT 2
2 litre eingine sounds cool . . . .
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Post by danie on Jan 17, 2012 19:52:26 GMT 2
Maybe our friend Pavel can also get hold of these kits..... Demitris, your contributions at this forum are really interesting ! ;D
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Post by spikes on Jan 17, 2012 20:01:14 GMT 2
hi, the pistonheads looks like 4 valve jobs? new 16valve head required?
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Post by RATEL on Jan 17, 2012 22:18:00 GMT 2
There are some very interesting stuff from this company!
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Post by danie on Jan 18, 2012 5:33:50 GMT 2
Hi Spikes
The position and angles of the Valve grooves at the Pistons indicate that the Pistons have indeed been manufactured for a 16 Valve / Twincam setup.
The pics at the first link shows the "kit", but there are no pics of any Camshafts - so I guess the pics shows all components which are needed for a 2L mod. on a Niva, but the pistons have actually been manufactured for another car which acquires a Twin Cam setup.
Danie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jan 18, 2012 8:14:33 GMT 2
Under the heading "exterior" I see the wheel arches Darius.
Ari
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jan 18, 2012 10:32:10 GMT 2
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Post by danie on Jan 18, 2012 18:10:19 GMT 2
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Post by danie on Jan 19, 2012 6:32:41 GMT 2
www.rtcniva.ru/dvs.phpI have a price list for this websites engine kits, PM me you email and I'll forward it to you. Ari Hi Ari I've had a quick look at the attachments, and maybe I do not understand this correctly. Page 3 , which shows the kits for our 21213 engine blocks, indicates that the cylinder sleeves have to be re- bored to 83 mm in order to squeeze out an engine capacity of only 1820 cc . Maybe I do not understand this attachment correctly ? Danie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jan 19, 2012 8:59:31 GMT 2
There are different kits available, Crankshafts with strokes of 80 (standard), 84, 88 and 90mm. There are pistons with bores of 82 (standard), 82.5 (oversize 1), 83 and 84.
It all depend on which kit you take. Look at the 19 and 19.01 kits strokes of 90mm and bore of 82.5mm gives you a size of 1,92L
To get above 1.95L you will need to bore to 83 or 84mm.
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Post by Ladaniva on Jan 19, 2012 9:17:45 GMT 2
Hi Guys, I do not want to throw cold water on a camp fire but make very sure that the +-2000cc conversion on the Niva block is done in its totality by someone in the know about modifying engines (somebody like Sybie Coetzee in Brakpan and the likes) because a lot of things change when you stretch that far. I can list a lot of things that should be taken into consideration but will make the post too long. Just a teaser: what about the size of the inlet tracts? Example, even the Lada multi-point injection manifold has bigger inlet tracts. Luckily enough I had my 1600 head gassflowed extensively and the ports are almost exactly (by coincidence) the same size as on the multi-point inlet manifold I bought from Pavel. I must mention this too, or else I will be cruel: think hard about the valves too: more horsepower always equals more heat and the Niva valves can not even accommodate a three-angle treatment because it is too thin! A Niva engine started out as a 1300cc engine if I remember correctly. I still maintain that a Niva should not be matched to a two litre engine, because that will make it unreliable. A car is not just an engine. A vehicle that is primarily designed to run on loose gravel, through ditches have wheels off the ground (you sometimes not even knowing) will take enormous strain, especially the drive-train. The moment you take big risks, often with family and friends on board, the fun normally only last for a short while before something gives. The torque that a +-2000 cc engine gives is generally in another league as that of a 1600. I am a horsepower freak, if ever there was one, but there is a lot of fun in a standard Niva (I modified my whole life and will in future, and believe me it cost big bucks). As Danie well know, if you get the urge to feel power and speed jump on your motorcycle!! My son's cheapie 150 cc MotoMia (+_R6000.00 brand new) already gives you some adrenalin rush of sorts (wind rush?), but to feel you do something in that direction in a Niva will only punish it. Just improve the traction of a Niva and you have a monster real 4 x 4. Regards, Fanus
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Post by Ladaniva on Jan 19, 2012 9:41:11 GMT 2
Hi Arie, Thanks for pointing out that it is actually Bobby's 1800 cc engine (I must admit my eys go kokaai when I see a Fiat engine that breaths well). I attended a race many years ago at the old Kyalami race track where a modified 2000cc Fiat Mirafiori won a race for modified SA production cars by two minutes!! Normally it would have been a boring race but everybody kept on watching the race! I thought at the time that everybody was aw-struck and mesmerized by the sound of this car, not to mention the speed down the main straight!! The guy that drove the car was not even very well known and he competed that day against all the big names and brands. Unfortunately motorsport is not a noble sport and these Fiats never raced again. In fact, a short while later Fiat stopped marketing cars in SA. Regards, Fanus
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