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Post by danie on Feb 23, 2011 19:59:25 GMT 2
I was on the brink of placing an order for engine parts from Russia, when I stumbled across a Fiat 124 (1600cc) Twin Cam engine with 5 speed Box - in perfect condition. I bought this complete engine / gearbox combination for R4000.00 : Power output : Fiat 1600 - 82Kw @ 6400 Rpm / 137Nm @ 3800Rpm Lada 1700 - 59Kw @ 5400 Rpm / 128Nm @ 3400Rpm Carb on Fiat engine: Weber 36 DCD I am not sure whether there would be a real power gain with the Fiat engine, but I also considered the following options before I bought the unit: 1. The Fiat Strada 1700 Diesel engines can be mounted directly to the 1600 124 Bellhousing (Maybe the 1700 and 1900cc Corsa diesels as well. 2. My existing Lada Gearbox can be mounted directly to the 1600 124 Bellhousing, should the 5 speed Fiat box give any problems. I also did an inquiry about spare part availability and the local Fiat Guru assured me that all parts are still available - if not on his shelves, he could get anything from suppliers in Capetown and Jhb. Danie
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Post by Charles on Feb 23, 2011 20:05:50 GMT 2
Very nice! Spares for the 1.7d fiat engine is very expensive. Does that engine have a timing belt or chain?
Charles
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Feb 23, 2011 20:22:54 GMT 2
Hi Charles
They Have a timing belt under the yellow cover.
Danie
Nice buy, I was considering the later fiat motors such as the 1400, with similar power figures but you get better economy.
Looks in good nick still. When you going to put it in?
Ari
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Post by danie on Feb 23, 2011 20:25:15 GMT 2
Timing belt - still brand new and has been replaced just over 6000 kms ago when the engine has been overhauled.
Danie
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Post by danie on Feb 23, 2011 20:36:57 GMT 2
Ari, I already started preparing the engine bay for painting but since I bought this engine I think it might be better to install the engine first, and then do the painting.
The engine belonged to an elderly guy, and has been used in a Lotus 7 sport car. The engine has been rebuilt just over 18 months ago. The owner now decided to install a hot Toyota engine in his Lotus because "that's what all the Lotus 7 owners do"
Danie
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Post by marius on Feb 23, 2011 20:54:08 GMT 2
I still like the Lada one with the pink leads ;D
Nice find Danie - esp that you can fit a diesel!
Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Feb 23, 2011 21:23:45 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I will ask the question the others did not ask, When will the Niva be on the road ?. The work to get it there seems to be increasing ;D
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Feb 23, 2011 21:59:20 GMT 2
Danie a small tip. Paint your engine bay BEFORE fitting the engine. You can always touch up small marks afterwards. If you do it the other way around you will swear at yourself for doing it that way.
Charles
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Post by danie on Feb 24, 2011 5:48:36 GMT 2
Hi Danie When will the Niva be on the road ?. The work to get it there seems to be increasing ;D Ronnie Hi Ronnie It will take quite some time, but I am not in a hurry because I am planning to do things properly. The first step will be to design the connecting shaft between the Gearbox and Transfer Box. It will have one Universal Joint, one CV joint, but without the rubber Flexing Coupler. I will do the planning, but the final (balanced) product will be done by professionals. The Transfer Box will be mounted on four rubber mountings - and will be "sitting" on a Sub Frame, which will be mounted to the Bellhousing. The Sub Frame will be mounted to the Chassis at the back of the Transfer Box. (The mounting bracket at the back of the Gearbox will not be used) I have already made the brackets for the four rubber mounting brackets (Transfer Box) - still need so make some small bits though. Danie
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Post by marius on Feb 24, 2011 8:01:23 GMT 2
Hi Danie
Looks like you are planning a vibration free Lada - which will be quite a mission. You should also seriously consider to seperate the front diff from the engine in a seperate mounting IF possible.
I take it there is nothing wrong with your current engine - are you planning on selling it - or are you keeping it just in case?
Regards Marius
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Post by bobbyd on Feb 24, 2011 9:27:07 GMT 2
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Post by bobbyd on Feb 24, 2011 9:32:36 GMT 2
Big Trev has finished his, I love this
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Post by marius on Feb 24, 2011 11:30:57 GMT 2
Very nice job Bobby!
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Post by bobbyd on Feb 24, 2011 12:10:34 GMT 2
The yellow one is not mine but now I know what Im up against
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Post by marius on Feb 24, 2011 13:27:18 GMT 2
Well tell Trev he did a great job - very pro on the rust job!
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Post by jaco1978 on Feb 24, 2011 16:25:32 GMT 2
Great, I want one of those 1600 Fiat engines!
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Post by spikes on Feb 24, 2011 17:06:01 GMT 2
Hi Danie, The yellow will look great with pink ignition wires:) Do as Charles suggests, first paint the engine bay regards all Spikes
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Feb 24, 2011 18:30:44 GMT 2
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Feb 24, 2011 18:35:02 GMT 2
Hi Danie
Do you know whether the engine you have is the 1592cc or the 1608cc??
I've read that all the blocks and heads are the same, so you can bore to the largest size 84mm and can also put in the larger crank shaft (90mm stroke)
Ari
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Post by bobbyd on Feb 25, 2011 5:51:36 GMT 2
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Post by danie on Feb 25, 2011 19:20:08 GMT 2
Hi Marius / Bobby / Spikes / Ari
Marius, I am not thinking of selling my Lada's original engine. Everything except two exhaust valves as well as exhaust valve stems are still in perfect order.
I already replaced all piston rings, and the piston sleeves as well as pistons are still in 100 % condition. I believe it always makes sense to replace an engine oil pump when the oil sump gets removed, so I was planning to replace the oil pump as well - although, I did not have any oil pressure problems before.
Bobby, thanks for the links - I will definately ask some questions at the Aussie forum - those pics surely are going to help a lot to make things easier.
Ari, the engine is one of the 1592cc versions. A 2liter version would obviously be better, but this engine is in such a good condition, it would be foolish to let it go.
The deal included a spare waterpump, complete starter, flywheel , clutch with pressure plate, almost complete engine gasket set, as well as a fuel pump.
Danie
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Post by bobbyd on Feb 25, 2011 22:53:06 GMT 2
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Post by danie on Feb 26, 2011 9:58:22 GMT 2
Thanks Bobby. I have printed all pics and comments from the links, and everything has been filed as easy reference.. It will definately helps a lot. I am very exited about this mod, and can't wait to start working on some components during the next week. Danie
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Post by bobbyd on Feb 26, 2011 11:05:21 GMT 2
I am excited too!!!! Imagine a Niva with twice the power and 2/3s of the fuel consumption.
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Post by danie on Feb 26, 2011 17:18:53 GMT 2
Hi Bobby I have noticed that the radiator on Trevor's Lada is similar to the brass tank radiators (tanks at the top and bottom) as advertised by Graf Korvet on eBay. Do you know whether those radiators are commonly used in Australia - and if so, why ? Danie
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Post by bobbyd on Feb 27, 2011 11:12:45 GMT 2
Thats the standard Niva radiator, no Nivas here are new enough to have any other type
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Post by danie on Feb 27, 2011 11:23:28 GMT 2
Hi Bobby I am a bit confused about the actual size of my Fiat engine. According to the owner and paperwork it's a 1600cc engine, but I am not sure any longer. Firstly, late yesterday evening I almost had a heart attack when I noticed the "AC " code at the Cylinder Head - I immediately thought that I have just bought myself a 1400cc engine ! So after a sleepless night I decided to remove the spark plugs - and measure the piston stroke very carefully this morning. I was expecting one of two measurements : 1. A stroke of 71.5mm (the stroke of a 1438 cc engine) or 2. A stroke of 79.2mm (the stroke of a 1592 cc engine ) I was very surprised to find a complete different stroke - 84.5 mm ! I initially thought that I have made a mistake when I took measurements - because a 84.5mm stroke has not been mentioned at any of the links I know about. So I eventually took measurements three times very carefully, but I got the same results each time ! At least I now have some piece of mind that this engine is not a 1400cc - but on the other hand, it is not a 1592cc engine either . It obviously can't be a 1756cc, because the stroke on a1756cc engine is 79.2mm. Danie
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Post by Charles on Feb 27, 2011 11:28:47 GMT 2
Maybe its a 2.0l?
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Post by Charles on Feb 27, 2011 11:29:03 GMT 2
Maybe its a 2.0l?
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Post by danie on Feb 27, 2011 11:40:15 GMT 2
Hi Charles
I don't think it's a 2 L - the 2L engines (1995cc) have taller engine blocks , and I think this one is a "small block" engine.
Maybe Bobby could take measurements on his engine block to compare ?
Danie
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