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Post by danie on Jun 6, 2010 22:21:26 GMT 2
Hi All
Ari mentioned the possibility about a more formal LOCSA management structure under another post, and I must admit - I've been thinking in this direction for quite a while now.
It is very obvious that there are a couple of our members who took this website to heart, and who would be more than able to take LOCSA forward.
I think the time has finally arrived to give this idea some serious thoughts, and make suggestions under this post.
As far as myself is concerned, I believe that we definately do need a more formal structure to take this Club forward. A "one man show" - as it is at the moment, will simply not work on the longer term.
Regards
Danie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 7, 2010 10:27:52 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I agree and have also thought about this for a while now. I would presume that we will continu on a free basis for the present.
How we are going to organise this I'm not sure.
Possibly have sections ,(cape, natal , inland) etc for local meets and we will also need meetings to discuss things as they come up.
Whatever we are going to do it will take some thought.
Ari
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Post by ronnie on Jun 7, 2010 13:21:34 GMT 2
Hi Danie and Ari You are both correct though I wonder how successful we will be unless we can get more active participation from the dormant members. Danie, on a lighter note KZN should be easy to administer as I only know of two active members . Regards Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Jun 7, 2010 14:59:18 GMT 2
Hi Danie
Looking at the list of members some of the dormant ones have e mail addresses. Would it be worth our while drafting a letter to them to inquire what they would like us to do to make the club more appealing?. They must have had some interest to take the time to join???
Regards
Ronnie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 7, 2010 15:08:05 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
I think that is a good idea Ronnie and for those without email addresses we can send a PM and LOCSA automatically sends them email notification of their message, so they should get it.
Ari
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 7, 2010 16:00:04 GMT 2
Hi
So far the main people are
CAPE ,mike,des,gene KZN ,ronnie,danie COWTENG ,hercules,ari NW ,marius,lucas
and then all the others whereever they fit.
Ari
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Post by Hercules on Jun 7, 2010 18:06:53 GMT 2
I agree, there is a need to move more formal, the only problem there are only a hand full of participants and I do not know how we can get all these other members that just register, and not participate further, to get more involve. I agree with Ronnie, when they register there were some interest, other wise they would not take the time to register.
Ari, you forgot Darryn in Gauteng.
Regards.
Hercules.
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Post by danie on Jun 7, 2010 19:31:42 GMT 2
Hi All
It would obviously be very nice if all dormant members take part in discussions on the Forum - but unfortunately this is a normal trend on all National and International forums - I do'nt think we will achieve a lot of success by sending e.mails.
To be honest, I have already sent quite a few e.mails to owners who were members of the old Forum, have a very good knowledge about Ladas, and still own their Ladas today. All responded positively, but so far only one joined as member recently. I am sure we will hear from him in the near future.
To my mind, the best we can do is to to give advice as far as possible, and try to make everybody feel at "home". There is a huge need for technical knowledge by private owners in our country, and as long as we as current members are prepared to share our knowledge, I have no doubt that this Owners Club will succeed.
I think once some of our new members start feeling more "at home" we will definately hear from them.
Regards
Danie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 7, 2010 20:07:03 GMT 2
Hi
Sorry Darryn. I did not know he was based in gauteng.
Ari
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Post by danie on Jun 7, 2010 20:32:06 GMT 2
Hi All Any support for the idea of a Chairperson, Vice Chairperson, etc., etc. ? Regards Danie P.S. I've got a job already - thanks.
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 7, 2010 21:00:15 GMT 2
Hi Danie
The idea sounds good, what you don't want it?
Ari
PS I guess you want us to either nominate ourselve or someone else.
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Post by danie on Jun 7, 2010 21:26:31 GMT 2
Hi Ari I commited myself as Moderator until 31 Dec 2011, and I never hop around once I made a commitment. There are very capable members witin our group anyway............and yes, any member should feel free to nominate another member. If anyone prefer to nominate someone without "going public", just send me a PM (I hope this will be acceptable). I think we should just discuss available positions first - then nominate different members for specific positions. Regards Danie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 8, 2010 7:56:30 GMT 2
Hi Danie
We can also look at other similar clubs and "copy" their structure as far as it suits us. We can also add positions as we need them and more members join.
Ari
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Post by ronnie on Jun 8, 2010 9:51:02 GMT 2
Hi All
As I know very little about club structure I think Ari has the right idea of copying the structure of one of the successful clubs. As we want this club to continue long into the future, these positions suit the younger generation. Without pointing fingers someone with a University degree would be suitable. ;D ;D ;D. For people in the know this would for me keep it in the family ;D
Regards
Ronnie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 8, 2010 10:03:23 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
I think I know what you are getting at and yes I am prepared to do it. I also think there should be older people in the senior positions as some lada owners will feel more at ease with them. Some times people battle to brdge the generations. And yes keep it in the family of the lada.
Ari
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 8, 2010 10:08:50 GMT 2
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Post by ronnie on Jun 8, 2010 13:20:55 GMT 2
Hi Ari
Looks as if with Marius and Darryn it`s a matter of keeping a LOW PROFILE ;D. Out of site out of mind.
Regards
Ronnie
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Post by danie on Jun 8, 2010 17:01:38 GMT 2
Hi Ari
We still have to find some older people - I am not aware of any older people on the forum. ;D
Danie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 8, 2010 18:01:42 GMT 2
Hi Danie I meant Ronnie, he must be older as he is retired, but I can see he does not want to take the hint. I just think the management should be representive of the whole spectrum of members, so that each member whether young or old can relate to the management. You are only as old as you feel. Ari
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Post by ronnie on Jun 8, 2010 18:33:54 GMT 2
Hi You Two
At least older ;D sounds better than OLD
Regards
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Jun 8, 2010 19:15:11 GMT 2
>> I am not aware of any older people on the forum << Thanks Danie ;D PS - I'm still sussing this thread out
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 8, 2010 19:41:49 GMT 2
Hi Marius Are you scared Ari
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Post by Hercules on Jun 8, 2010 19:46:43 GMT 2
Hallo Ronnie.
Not old or older, just very well matured.
Regards.
Hercules.
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Post by marius on Jun 8, 2010 21:14:09 GMT 2
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Post by hotstuff on Jul 22, 2010 17:43:47 GMT 2
ok so this sounds interesting mmm looking into this.
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Post by danie on Jul 24, 2010 22:01:56 GMT 2
Hi All
Well, the time has finally arrived to select a formal LOCSA Management structure.
To my mind it is very clear that we are facing exiting times ahead, and we are in definite need of a proper Management Team to take things forward.
As mentioned before, there are very capable members of this Forum who do have the necessary skills, and commitment, to ensure that LOCSA will have a bright future.
To my mind we should at least select a Chairperson, Vice Chairperson, and Treasurer - more positions are very welcome. Please feel free to air your views in this regard.
Just a personal request : Please remember that we do need a loyal, committed, and hardworking team to take things forward..........good results never fall in place by itself.
Just another suggestion: I believe any future Management team should serve for a maximum term of two years - but that's just an opinion.
For the time being, I am awaiting nominations (by PM) for the following positions:
Chairperson Vice Chairperson Treasurer
Again, please feel free to air your views in this regard.
Regards
Danie
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Post by darryn on Jul 24, 2010 23:14:51 GMT 2
Hello chaps
Sorry, I check the forum as often as I can but bandwidth (I'm struggling with telkom a the moment) is quite limited. Regarding club structure, we need to ask some questions:
What do we want to achieve, and how do should we structure this to make our goals attainable. It's no use to make a club structure for the sake of having a structure. I've been the captain, secretary and boatman for my rowing club (at different stages) for as long as I have been rowing there and I understand the "challenges" of running a small non-profit organization intimately.
There will always be "The Few" who make the backbone of a club like this, and others will come and go- which is normal. My opinion is that only unless we have to compete in some sort of organized way, and report to some higher body through affiliation (like a rugby club would to SARU), then it would be a waste of time to "organize" ourselves. Or... I may not see the bigger picture as to the potential of what LOCSA could become... Which puts me out of the running for any sort of leadership position, because I don't have a vision for the club (see how sneaky that was?).
We have all been drawn together by one thing: our Ladas. Everything else- our other interests like motorcycles, sailing, hard hitting women, are a very pleasant addition to this. I think that we should keep it it loose; the very form of communication we're using is fluid and collaborative in nature, and while most of us are under so much pressure in our daily lives, we should not make this a chore. I can't speak for the rest of you, but I enjoy pure participation far more than organizing. To make something I love a responsibility, makes it a chore, and I've been enjoying this experience too much to want to become a chore.
So, let's organize ourselves, but let's ask "why?" first. I don't think we have to worry about the longevity of the club for now- as long as there are Ladas in South Africa that need new tyres, servicing/maintenance tips and owners that have a lot in common, we need not stress about it too much.
Just my over-academic-over-analyzing two cents worth...
Peace Darryn.
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Post by marius on Jul 25, 2010 0:04:30 GMT 2
I will have to agree with Darryn on that one - we're doing it right - why mess with it?
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Post by danie on Jul 25, 2010 7:59:56 GMT 2
Hi Darryn / Marius
Thanks for your response,but I would like to air my views in this regard as well: To my mind, serious mistakes has been made on the old (crashed) website, which should never have happened. And yes, to my mind those mistakes have been made by the previous Management structure. Believe me, I hate to say this, because I hate to point fingers, and I hate to discuss people behind their backs.
But these things have to be said for once and all, to prevent similar mistakes in future.
Firstly, I also think that "we are doing it right". The success of this forum is due to a joint effort by a number of members - and not to exceptional skills by any individual, including myself.
Secondly, during my lifetime I have seen too many structures, businesses, governing bodies etc. simply falling apart - because of individuals who think they know everything , and think they know what they are doing. Therefore I unconditionally believe in "Group Management" structures.
Bottom line - I have commit ed myself to serve this community as Moderator until 31 December 2011, and I (still) do this with the greatest of pleasure.
To conclude, I simply believe that the mistakes of the past should never be repeated.......
Regards
Danie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jul 25, 2010 8:49:46 GMT 2
Hi " I've been the captain, secretary and boatman for my rowing club (at different stages) for as long as I have been rowing there and I understand the "challenges" of running a small non-profit organization intimately. " Thanks Darryn for nominating yourself after show your experience, . I agree with what you guys are saying, so maybe we should first set a few short term and long term goals and then see how we can realise these goals. I think we should also look at having get togethers to meet each other, such as fun days or something similar. Ari
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