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Post by marius on Nov 17, 2010 14:47:39 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie I just realised something you might not find amuzing ;D "The " locking" washer has "teeth"" that you refer to is a "locking washer" I refered to in another thread on the 5th gear. If I'm not mistaking - that washer is the one that Jan uses as a "locking washer". If I were you I would remove it sooner than you can say "pronto" It did not last very long on my car Don't try and even think of fitting both - that WILL turn out to be a very expensive mistake Regards Marius PS - GO WITH THE THING IN THE MANUAL
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Post by ronnie on Nov 17, 2010 15:51:45 GMT 2
Hi Marius Too late I have used both washers, loctite, and torqued to spec. Here is a pic of my new tab locking washer. hope it works, just bolting everything up. I will buy new oil tomorrow for the T/C when we are shopping. Ronnie Attachments:
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Post by marius on Nov 17, 2010 16:26:24 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie Your washer looks very sturdy and looks like it will do the job In my previous post I was obviously refering to the original and not your design - which looks just fine. What oil are you going to put in the TC? Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Nov 17, 2010 18:50:03 GMT 2
Hi Marius New design of tab washer . I have seen so many oils suggested that I have lost track. I would like to try LSD 85/140 as used by Bob. However down here I think that will be wish full thinking . I will probably end up with 80w 90 gl5 if i can but usually they only have gl4. That is what I used the last time and then changed to gl5 when I got it. Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Nov 17, 2010 18:53:52 GMT 2
Hi Bob
I don`t remember you saying much if anything regarding the thin tab washer or the thick locking washer on the rear output shaft of the gearbox. Let us know what you use in Australia. I don`t even remember it being mentioned on your Forum.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Nov 17, 2010 19:06:29 GMT 2
Ronnie why not use 85w140 gl5?
Charles
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Post by ronnie on Nov 17, 2010 19:19:01 GMT 2
Hi Charles Yes but again don`t think they will have any down here Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Nov 17, 2010 19:25:15 GMT 2
Let them order it.
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Post by marius on Nov 17, 2010 20:18:55 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie I know you are a huge Castrol fan but Caltex have a quality 85/140 diff oil. Perhaps you have a Caltex service station down there? Andy did respond with regard to the thin lock washer in the 5th gear thread. Regards Marius PS - any difference with regard to vibration.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 17, 2010 20:49:44 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Will let you know about the vibration tomorrow no oil in T/C so can`t try today.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Nov 17, 2010 20:57:52 GMT 2
Hi Charles
If they don`t have the oil i want I will order it with what I need to service both vehicles later this month
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Nov 17, 2010 22:14:01 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
Is there any car dealerships in Pennington?
Charles
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Post by marius on Nov 18, 2010 6:52:37 GMT 2
Hi Charles
Put your Blue Lada avatar back please - I suggest you change your avatar as you go - just a suggestion ;D
Regards Marius
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Post by marius on Nov 18, 2010 6:57:17 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie Also let us know about the diff lock please. I hardly ever use mine - I tested it yesterday and it was fine. When we bought the car it was very stiff and esp difficult to disengage - got better over time. I would also like to usethe thicker oil in the TC - but the thicker oil could perhaps not get to certain places quick enough Regards Marius
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Post by marius on Nov 18, 2010 7:21:19 GMT 2
Hi all Together with the new 5th gear parts came these washers and a circlip - here is an indication where they should fit on the shaft. Regards Marius Attachments:
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Post by ronnie on Nov 18, 2010 9:13:50 GMT 2
Hi Charles In Pennington we have 2 grocery shops a cafe a kiosk on the beach and of course a bottle store. But you must not break down or run out of petrol. The nearest place is Scotburgh. It has everything but is still very limited. It used to be 9km to Scotburgh, but the bridge was washed away 2 years ago so it is now20 km Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Nov 18, 2010 9:18:39 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Lubrication with the thicker oil is my concern as well. The diff lock should be very easy to engage. Look at the size of the lever very little leverage there. Anyway I doubt if I will get the thicker oil here today.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Nov 18, 2010 9:35:09 GMT 2
Hi Marius
It is important to engage the diff lock occasionally so it does not sieze through lack of use. Having said that the Landy does sieze but looking at the Lada design I dont think the Lada has the same problem.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Nov 18, 2010 10:06:37 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
20km is how far I have to drive to work everyday. So with the lada Scotburgh is 9km and with the Peugeot its 20km?
Charles
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Post by marius on Nov 18, 2010 10:07:16 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
As a diff lubricant the 140 oil should be perfect for the TC - if the oil can get to all parts quickly. I think I will use 140 on my next change.
Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Nov 18, 2010 12:53:02 GMT 2
Hi Charles
I have yet to find a way down to and across the Umzinto river, though I have not tried very hard
Ronnie
PS we are about to get a rocket for using this thread.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 18, 2010 12:55:44 GMT 2
Hi Marius
I have managed to get 85 / 140 so we shall see how it goes. Not LSD unfortunatly.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 18, 2010 14:24:48 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
I think that should be fine. Any change on the vibration?
Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Nov 18, 2010 17:10:10 GMT 2
Hi Marius
The vibration seams to be less but I have not spent any time on that. With the 85/140 oil the T/C whine is less. No oil leaks so far on the gearbox and the diff lock is engaging OK. We were worried about the lubrication at start up with the thicker oil but I am sure a 85/140 will be a 85 SAE oil at low to normal temperature and a 140 SAE at high temperature. That being the case there is nothing to worry about. Perhaps you can confirm that.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 18, 2010 17:51:35 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie It should be the better oil to use in the TC. It will be nice to have less whine Regards Marius
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Nov 18, 2010 19:11:54 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
You are right that is what 85W140 means.
Ari
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Post by ronnie on Nov 19, 2010 9:19:14 GMT 2
Hi Ari I was sure that was the technical reason for the dual SAE spec. It is such a long time since I read about it. Therefore there should be no concern about the initial lubrication when everything is cold. Ronnie
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Post by Ventzel on Nov 19, 2010 9:44:05 GMT 2
Hi all,
I use 85W/140 for T/box since the begining and everything seems OK. Even after changing ~60000 km, the oil is clear. Usually I use ENGEN but the brand doesn't matter. Same oil I use for the diffs and steering box.
What about previous discussion about the lockwashers, I'm certain they must not mix. Both of the systems have advantages.
The tin thin lockwasher better secures the nut but there is still a little clearance in the joint compensated by the spring. But it's OK, my car is with mileage 93000 km still with the original centering seals and I can't feel more vibrations then before.
The thick spring washer also has locking functions. It is slightly in cone shape and once squashed by the nut, stays under pressure.
If I have to choose one of the systems, I will choose probably the thick spring washer. It is much mode solid. Why is still not indicated in the catalogues is mistery for me either. It is in use for more than decade. Last year I ordered such a kits and with a little foresight I did not specify the catalogue numbers, just asked for flange nut and seals. They came - the kit with thick spring washer.
Rgds
Ventz
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Post by ronnie on Nov 19, 2010 13:57:19 GMT 2
Hi Ventz Thanks for the confirmation on the 85 / 140 oil as that is what I have used this time. No leaks now with the genuine seal . As far as the thick spring washer is concerned, looking at It I cannot see how it will come loose if properly installed and torqued to spec. I also have a home made (Modification) Tab locking washer which I hope will do more good than bad. Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 19, 2010 15:54:15 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
You have to understand that it is the nut that comes undone on the shaft - NOT the spring washer. The spring washer is the reason why.
The web is full of evidence that when the car's 5th gear starts to jump - that the nut has come undone. It will physically be impossible for the nut to come undone with the lock washer. Evidently it is not the case with the spring washer.
Anyway I think it is up to the individual members to make up their own mind. In the mean time I will try to get an official explanation.
Regards Marius
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