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Post by marius on Jul 20, 2010 20:45:12 GMT 2
Hi Danie If Hercules got the figures right you can cut nearly 4000 of those minus 1 AND with relation to your previous question - why would anyone fit a 50c washer if they knew about a problem that could bring in a small fortune? Everybody that has a problem with the 5th gear is because they don't have that washer fitted - with the inevitable result - the nut gets loose and the 5th gear starts to jump out When we bought the car I was informed by the salesperson that I should grease the intermediate shaft - telling me that he is not supposed to tell me that Also - he told me that the water pump will fail - only after it failed did I learn that you are supposed to grease it every 10 00kms. He also informed me that the timing chain will fail - fortunately I got hold of the manual before it did. The car was supposed to go in for adjustments after 3000kms run-in period - never happened. One of the things they were supposed to do was to replace the run-in washer with the lock washer - never happened. These guys [read arseholes] obviously knew about the issues - but did nothing to prevent it for obvious reasons. With the result - giving the car a bad name. Ranting on like that just makes my blood boil.
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Post by danie on Jul 20, 2010 21:01:48 GMT 2
Hi Hercules / Marius
Do you perhaps know what the size of that rear nut is?
Cleeve nuts only seem to be available in the smaller sizes. When I shopped around for the replacement Front Wheelbearing Nut (M18 x 1.5mm) I specifically asked for a Cleevenut, but I've been told that Cleevenuts are only available in smaller sizes.
Marius, that info about the original distributors is really disturbing.
Regards
Danie
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Post by danie on Jul 20, 2010 21:18:04 GMT 2
Just more info about cleeve nuts - the front end of the nut is slightly tapered (smaller) than the rear, so the front end "grabs" to the bolt / shaft, etc. - like a Locknut.
While a Locknut has a nylon ring in front, a Cleeve Nut has a smaller (tapered) front end only.
Regards
Danie
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Post by marius on Jul 20, 2010 21:30:47 GMT 2
Hi Danie Disturbing indeed - and what they don't realize is that it comes back to haunt you. Ronnie's best friend is going down the same road Thanks for the info on the nuts - both should do the job Regards Marius
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Post by danie on Jul 21, 2010 6:32:45 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Thanks for revealing the info about the original importers.
I just find it incredibly sad that the Consumers Protection Act which will be implemented during October this year, was not in place during that time. They clearly just walked away from the Lada scene, while they knew very well what was bound to happen..........
I just wonder whether our beloved Agent knew about the above mentioned issues at the time when he was selling Ladas, and for how long he has been a salesman ? Is he indeed a qualified mechanic, and does he really know what he always talk about?
The reason I ask this questions - on the old Furum he used to tell everybody that nobody else knows how to work on a Lada..........which to me, sounded unethical, very unprofessional, and an insult to the intelligence of the average Lada owner in South Africa......
Regards
Danie
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Post by ronnie on Jul 21, 2010 10:01:19 GMT 2
Hi All
I think we should take with a pinch of salt what my "friend / salesman / mechanic"says as I think it is all done to generate business. The condition of his premises should be a warning to all who visit there. As many have already said do as much of your own work as you are capable of. What you don`t know you can learn. When you read Marius`s post you soon realize why Lada got the bad name it did not deserve.
Regards
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Jul 21, 2010 10:12:45 GMT 2
Hi guys
The guys in Cape Town were the pits. First we had to deal with Nissan. Apparently the Lada mechanics from Nissan went for special training in Russia - which sounded very promising.
Unfortunately once they started working on these cars - even on the smallest things - you realized that these guys knew squat. The nearest thing to Siberia they ever saw was the Cape Flats.
We were then redirected to a place called The Car Shop - they were Jeep specialists. At least these guys were actual mechanics - but the nightmare was far from over.
My experience with these guys was that they would do there level best not to replace a damaged parts with a new one - whilst the car was under warranty - and would just stuff it up even further. Once the warranty expired it was an entirely different matter and the parts were very very expensive. After my warranty expired they never saw me again. In short - they don't do Ladas anymore.
Jan came highly recommended - and I ordered a number of parts from him - slightly less expensive. I even visited him with my Niva and he was very helpful AND friendly.
Once CMH closed the doors on further Lada imports - Jan's mood and prices changed dramatically.
Apparently at the time there was a very good Lada mechanic in Bethal. Funny thing is - Jan did not think so - so he must be very good. Wonder if he is still around?
Regards Marius
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Post by marius on Jul 21, 2010 11:18:38 GMT 2
Oh I forgot <<Consumers Protection Act>> sounds very promising and I hope it will make a difference. Enforcing it might prove to be an entirely different story. In the past every single type of consumer protection agency kind of thing was a complete waist of time and money. Let's hope it's different this time around
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Post by ronnie on Jul 21, 2010 13:21:19 GMT 2
Hi Marius As you say it is one thing to pass a law and another to enforce it. When did you last read of any one being fined for breaking the smoking laws?. Actually I have never seen any reports of fines being issued.Here in Pennington they could issue fines for this every day. Don`t know how we got on this subject on this thread. Regards Ronnie
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Post by marius on Jul 21, 2010 15:59:37 GMT 2
>>Don`t know how we got on this subject on this thread<< We should talk to the Moderator about that ;D
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jul 21, 2010 18:34:19 GMT 2
Yeah I agree it seems as though the Moderater is sleeping on the job
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Post by danie on Jul 21, 2010 19:08:44 GMT 2
The Moderator sleeps with one eye open when imported issues are discussed..........
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Post by danie on Jul 21, 2010 21:05:16 GMT 2
Hi Marius I managed to find my spare output shaft, but there are no splines on the thread itself. The only splines are those for the Coupler - see pic below: In your initial post you mentioned : "Fit it properly into the splines of the shaft or the coupling flange if you don't have splines on the shaft" I am a bit confused regarding the location of this washer on the shaft - when there are no splines on the thread. If there is no spline (sort of "keyway" look alike" )on the thread, I assume a special washer will have to be made , to be located on the opposite side of the Flange, and not on the side where the Nut is located ? To my understanding, the washers will look completely different on shafts with threaded splines - and shafts without threaded splines. (I do not have a spare output flange, which makes it a bit more difficult to figure out how these things work) Regards Danie
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Post by danie on Jul 21, 2010 21:08:10 GMT 2
Oh - sorry about the Land Rover on the pic .
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Post by marius on Jul 21, 2010 21:30:37 GMT 2
Hi Danie
The washer will basically be the same - the only difference would be the size of the "teeth" sliding into the splines. I will make a better illustration tomorrow.
No worries on the Landy - they are quite nice.
Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Jul 22, 2010 9:26:12 GMT 2
Hi Danie and Marius
Not my kind of L/rover I like the old ones with no electronics ;D
Regards
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Jul 22, 2010 10:14:08 GMT 2
Hi guys I hope this illustrates it a bit better?
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Post by marius on Jul 22, 2010 10:15:39 GMT 2
This is what the new shaft looks like...
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Post by ronnie on Jul 22, 2010 12:35:31 GMT 2
Hi Marius
As the splines cannot come through the flange I assume the tangs on the washer are bent down to suit?.
Regards
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Jul 22, 2010 17:24:24 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie The flange slides into and over the splines near the end of the shaft- and yes Regards Marius
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Post by marius on Jul 22, 2010 18:08:42 GMT 2
Another way of looking at it ;D Just remember to tap the washer back over one of the sides of the nut.
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Post by danie on Jul 22, 2010 20:08:28 GMT 2
Hi Marius Just another question : On shafts without splines in the thread -I assume when the flange has been slided onto the shaft as far as possible , a small surface of the (bigger) splined area will still be sticking out (between the Nut and the Flange) ?
(Unfortunately I also do not have the specific nut - and without the nut and flange I cannot see how much surface of the bigger splines will be sticking out to hold the tangs on the washer.)
Regards
Danie
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Post by marius on Jul 22, 2010 20:27:42 GMT 2
Hi Danie
With everything fitted properly on the output shaft (gears, bearings, washers, spacers etc) very little of the splines - on either the flange or the shaft will show. However you should still be able to get some grip for the washer to stick - either in the splines of the flange or the shaft.
In other words - you will have to adjust the "teeth" to suit. I would say no more than a millimeter of "teeth" would be enough.
Regards Marius
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Post by marius on Jul 22, 2010 20:37:07 GMT 2
To digress a bit As far as electronic go I fully agree with you Ronnie - precisely why I love the Niva. However I must say I'm impressed with the new Feelander2 and the Discovery 4. Much much better design and 4x4 ability than their predecessors. Oh and Danie - you can ask as many questions as you like ;D
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Post by danie on Jul 23, 2010 5:40:40 GMT 2
Thanks Marius, I must admit - this washer is really haunting me. Just one (hopefully last) request then: Could you please forward a close pic, right from the front (Nut end) of the shaft. Please just slide the Flange on the shaft, without fitting the washer and the nut. Then please take a close pic right from the front. Since my last post i started believing the splines on the shaft are probably located further away from the washer, which would make it very easy to make a suitable washer. If the splines are located further or "deeper", the tangs could easily be bent inwards, to keep a firm grip on the washer.......... Regards, and many thanks Danie P.S. Again, sorry about all the questions............I was born like that.......
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Post by marius on Jul 23, 2010 8:47:20 GMT 2
Asking questions - is the only way to learn PS - The bite marks on the flange is from the previous washer that did not last very long.
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Post by marius on Jul 23, 2010 8:50:37 GMT 2
Up close and personal ;D
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Post by ronnie on Jul 23, 2010 16:20:34 GMT 2
Hi Marius Thanks to you while you were counting goats I was underneath the lada stripping out the intermediate shaft to check your pet nut. . It was on with locktite so hard to remove. Made a washer as per you instructions, all back together . Should be no problems now. For any one doing this make sure you have a 30 spanner for the nut before you start, and also a band to go around the doughnut. Use 2 long hose clips if you have nothing else. Regards Ronnie
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Post by danie on Jul 23, 2010 18:20:57 GMT 2
Hi Marius / Ronnie
Thanks for the pics Marius - the "personal" one helped quite a lot . ;D
I just wonder whether the front "facing" on the splines (the black part on the splines which can be seen on the pic) can be grinded a bit backwards - this would make it possible to bend the "teeth" on the washer backwards, to ensure a firmer grip.....the shaft would obviously be very hard, but who knows - maybe it could be grinded.........
Ronnie, I think a little bit of heat on the nut should definately help to make things easier - too much heat will obviously destroy the inner oil seal on the shaft......
Regards
Danie
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Post by marius on Jul 23, 2010 19:54:08 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie/Danie I truly believe that the washer will make all the difference
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