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Post by marius on Jul 11, 2012 20:37:44 GMT 2
Danie I do not think it has been discussed. Charles This is not entirely correct. The matter was raised with current LOCSA Management a month or two ago and the matter was put on the forum in this very thread for open discussion by the members. The response on the forum was very mild to say the least but some of the members did respond. Marius
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Post by marius on Jul 11, 2012 20:49:31 GMT 2
I think Conrad has made a very valuable input here and I think we should let the (active or non-active) members speak and listen to what they have to say.
Marius
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Post by RATEL on Jul 11, 2012 21:08:25 GMT 2
One last thing I want to put on that is on my mind (hopefully), I definitely agree with Conrad and he put it well. It is just overkill....
Steve, about what I said previously from someone I quoted (Conrad), we are making work of it if we take that route. And it should be fun, not work.
Ronnie, if you aren't putting yourself up for a moderator position my other selection would be Vincent.
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Post by Charles on Jul 11, 2012 21:15:23 GMT 2
Danie I do not think it has been discussed. Charles This is not entirely correct. The matter was raised with current LOCSA Management a month or two ago and the matter was put on the forum in this very thread for open discussion by the members. The response on the forum was very mild to say the least but some of the members did respond. Marius My mistake.
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Post by danie on Jul 11, 2012 21:24:56 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie I have tried to respond to your post, but since the previous topic has been blocked I could not forward my original responce. I do not have the time or energy to put my response together again at the moment - but in short I am not sure about which Locsa you were referring to. The Locsa which I have joined more than six years ago did have a formal Management Structure. In fact, every single Province in South Africa did have a provincial - sub structure. There are fotos at this very Forum, where group activities - organized by previous provincial sub- structures can be seen When I have joined Locsa more than six years ago, Edu de Jager was the National Charperson, while Johan van Staden also played a very prominent role - I cant remember his title. locsa.9.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=43I will pass more comments tomorrow. Danie
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Post by ronnie on Jul 11, 2012 21:25:54 GMT 2
Hi Darius
I think Vincent would be a good choice.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Jul 11, 2012 21:44:23 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I joined LOCSA on the 3rd November 2009 and there was no formal management structure in place. You are referring to the old LOCSA that was spammed out of existence. I am sure you remember this as you were the one pushing for a formal management structure. All I want to know is what is the serious implications you refer to ?. What can be serious when all we are doing in reverting to the way is was when I joined. At that time all LOCSA had was 2 Moderators, Kobus and you.
Ronnie
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Post by spikes on Jul 12, 2012 7:13:19 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie I have tried to respond to your post, but since the previous topic has been blocked I could not forward my original responce. Hi Danie, The post WERE moved to this thread. I did not BLOCK anything.They are all available and open for reading or quoting. Empty threads with a MOVED notification are automatically locked. Spikes
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Post by spikes on Jul 12, 2012 7:17:39 GMT 2
Thanks Charles, I have casted my vote a bit earlier , but it has since been removed . Believe me - I am not trying to be "difficult" - to my mind this issue could have serious implications though. Danie Hi Danie To illustrate my point in my previous post, I have to again ask: Do you perhaps mean you retracted your cast vote as no one can remove a vote? Please advise. Spikes
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Post by spikes on Jul 12, 2012 7:27:45 GMT 2
Thanks Charles, I have casted my vote a bit earlier , but it has since been removed . Believe me - I am not trying to be "difficult" - to my mind this issue could have serious implications though. Danie Hi Danie To illustrate my point in my previous post, I have to again ask: Do you perhaps mean you retracted your cast vote as no one can remove a vote? Please advise. Spikes Hi Danie. I see cast your vote again. Please disregard this posting as it is really irrelevant now Spikes
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Post by marius on Jul 12, 2012 7:32:43 GMT 2
Hi Darius I think Vincent would be a good choice. Ronnie Nothing personal, but as Moderator you would need to log in every day. Vincent seems to be unavailable for long periods of time due to the nature of his work (by his own admission). That would make moderating impossible. Marius
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Post by ladanivabelgium on Jul 12, 2012 8:07:29 GMT 2
please forgive me for not voting or make any comments about this. This is club related, from wich i'm not really a member
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Post by spikes on Jul 12, 2012 8:20:22 GMT 2
please forgive me for not voting or make any comments about this. This is club related, from wich i'm not really a member Hi Jan I moved your post to this thread. LOCSA members are eligible to vote in Polls. Please feel free to cast your vote. Spikes
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Post by ronnie on Jul 12, 2012 9:37:56 GMT 2
Hi Jan
Just because we live far away from South Africa does not mean we can`t vote. Like the rest of us you have your thoughts on the matter. Danie mentioned there had been no discussions, so any input you have would be appreciated. I for one do read what others have to say and this could influence my vote.
Ronnie
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Post by vincentc on Jul 12, 2012 12:02:58 GMT 2
Hi Darius I think Vincent would be a good choice. Ronnie Nothing personal, but as Moderator you would need to log in every day. Vincent seems to be unavailable for long periods of time due to the nature of his work (by his own admission). That would make moderating impossible. Marius Hi Marius I agree with you. Moderators NEED to be active daily. Regards Vincent
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Post by vincentc on Jul 12, 2012 12:05:33 GMT 2
Hi Jan Just because we live far away from South Africa does not mean we can`t vote. Like the rest of us you have your thoughts on the matter. Danie mentioned there had been no discussions, so any input you have would be appreciated. I for one do read what others have to say and this could influence my vote. Ronnie The Voting is open to ALL LOCSA members - Local or not. Jan and Ronnie and many other members from outside the SA borders are registered members and their input is always appreciated and valuable as LOCSA members. Regards Vincent
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Post by Charles on Jul 12, 2012 13:28:26 GMT 2
Danie do you want a formal management structure?
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Post by sparky on Jul 12, 2012 13:31:46 GMT 2
my 2 zim dolla, you guys are over complicating things, 2 administrators, 4 mods, event co-ordinator for each region.....simple and effective.....
being an online club there's no need for formal positions
as a fairly new member you might not take me seriously but i've been running forums for a long time, i'd also consider registering a locsa domain and moving over to a more user friendly platform such as smf
use it abuse it
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Post by Hercules on Jul 12, 2012 16:54:41 GMT 2
Once the voting pole results is available, can we get a pole running to vote for the nominations in the various positions.
Due to my workload at the work place, I will not make myself available for elections for the next term as I've has not the time anymore to spend time on a regular basis on the forum. I will still be available for technical issues and can be contacted on my contact details available on the forum. I also think it is time for a new generation to take the forum ahead. The forum has grown from strenth to strength over the last three years and I want to thank all the people on the management team and forum who made it happened. May this forum just grow stronger everyday forward and may the new generation be up to the task.
I've enjoyed my term on the senior management team and the time I've been a member on this forum and will still stay a member to the LOCSA forum for as long as I drive a LADA.
My nominations.
Moderators - Spikes, Marius and Charles.
Chairman - Steve
Vice chairman - Vincentc
Treasurer - Mike
Events Organisers Western Cape - Sparky Gauteng - Steve if he is available for two positions KZN - Danie NWP - Christo EC - Ari Mpumalanga - Who ever is available EU - Jan Do not know about the Free State and Limpopo and what about Australia and New Zealand.
Regards.
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Post by marius on Jul 12, 2012 17:59:41 GMT 2
LET THERE BE NO DOUBT - ANY LOCSA MEMBER IS ALLOWED TO VOTE IN THIS POLL. HOWEVER YOU ARE ALSO FREE TO ABSTAIN.
Marius
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Post by ronnie on Jul 12, 2012 18:35:22 GMT 2
Hi Sparky.
As I have already stated I read all the posts and I do pay attention to what members say. I agree with you keep it simple, I see no reason for a formal set up.
Ronnie
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Post by danie on Jul 12, 2012 19:04:28 GMT 2
Danie do you want a formal management structure? Yes, I do want a formal Management Structure for Locsa, and I do want Locsa to exist in future. I see myself as a member of Locsa , and this very Forum (like the BBM group, etc.) is just a communication medium - nothing less, nothing more. Danie
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Post by ladanivabelgium on Jul 12, 2012 19:34:04 GMT 2
i will read all the comments in this thread tomorrow morning. I will decide then if i will vote and if yes, i will vote later. I will not vote ad random, i will think this through first. I will compare with our organisation (very simple by the way) and maybe even post a comment
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Post by Ihar on Jul 12, 2012 21:02:29 GMT 2
Thanks Jan, that would be appreciated
Tjeers
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Post by danie on Jul 13, 2012 6:40:20 GMT 2
My nominations. Moderators - Spikes, Marius and Charles. Chairman - Steve Vice chairman - Vincentc Treasurer - Mike Events Organisers Western Cape - Sparky Gauteng - Steve if he is available for two positions KZN - Danie NWP - Christo EC - Ari Mpumalanga - Who ever is available EU - Jan Do not know about the Free State and Limpopo and what about Australia and New Zealand. Regards. Hercules I am not sure whether the Aussie and New Zealand owners do live close to each other ? My vouch is on Dimitris for Greece. Danie
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Post by ladanivabelgium on Jul 13, 2012 8:47:51 GMT 2
This will be a long reply, and therefore not very fun to read, but i ask you to do so.
First i will explain the structure of our club 'De Belgische Nivavrienden'. We started out in 2001 when i bought my first Niva. In 2003 the forum and site as they exist now came online. We always had 2 different 'clubs' and members. We have paying members who are member of the actual club. They pay 25€ each year to cover the hosting costs. They have acces to more parts at the forum, such as the download section, members section etc. It is with these people that we have our monthly trips. The ammount of actual members is each year +- 50. then we have the forum members (+- 300). These people are also Niva owners but they are not a member of our actual club. They are free to choose so.
Then the structure: I am chairman, and i have been so all these years. The club, forum and site have been existing for a number of years only on me. We do not have selections for any position, but over the years 2 members became global moderator on the forum. They also act as vice chairman. Since last year we also have an event team. In this team are only veterans of the club, with one exeption: one very young member (19 years old) is very active in both the club and the forum, so he deserves a more important position in the club. When very important decisions have to be made i always consult both vice chairman and in most cases veterans of the club (without any position) before that decision is made. The bank account of the club is registered to my name. We are a non registered club, so this was the only way. ALL paying members have the right to see the bank papers at all times. Once a year we have a club member meeting. then i explain about the events and trips of the past year and also the status of the bank account. Al club related things are on the table and everything is open for discussion.
maybe this sounds as i am a dictator. Maybe this is very true, and i will NOT allow any one to take the club into disrepute. First i will talk to this person, together with one or both of the vice chairmen. If the problem persists the trouble maker will be banned from both the club and the forum. Sounds like i'm a dictator with 2 angry generals? perhaps, but that's sometimes the only way to handle things. This is just an example, we never had to ban some one from the actual club. We are a group of friends and hopefully such actions are never needed.
4 years ago i had to take care of my very sick mother in law. I went over every day for two years or so and took care of her during day hours. My son went there at night and my wife at the weekends. At that time i did not have any time for the club or forum. Both vice chairmen took over without asking and the club stayed alive. After 2 years i was more then welkom to take over again. So i like to think that our system works very well and that i'm appreciated for what i did/do for the club.
So, to get back on topic: do we have a structure? Yes. Is this official and registered? No. Has any one in the club a problem with 'my way'? No. Do i sound like i'm a dictator? Yes. Am i a dictator? No, but i can be very 'die hard' when the good name of our club is at stake.
Now about LOCSA: do i feel an official management with elections is needed? No, but i don't know about the laws in SA, and maybe that's the only way to run a club? i would like an answer to that before i vote.
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Post by marius on Jul 13, 2012 9:15:47 GMT 2
Hi Jan
As things stand right now LOCSA is basically the Forum and to a smaller extend the BBM/Facebook groups and this is where I completely disagree with Danie's viewpoint. Without this forum LOCSA will seize to exist - with OR without a formal structure.
There are certain regulations with regard to Clubs in South Africa but I think it has more to do with running the financial side of things? There should be no obstacles in running a club on a less formal basis - from my point of view.
Marius
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Post by spikes on Jul 13, 2012 9:18:01 GMT 2
Hi Jan and all who read this,
Thank you for your very informative review of the way the Belgian Niva club is run.
The Financial restrictions are very much the same here. If a Club( essentially a non profit making organisation) wants to open a "Club" banking account, financial institutions need a formal structure in place complete with a Constitution.
Which is why Marius was forced to open a private bank account for the Nankang Tyres.
From my point of view my answer to your question is: No, there is not any legal requirement to put a Formal structure in place for an online forum where no registration fees are required and no 'club' income is generated.
As for you being a "Dictator" dictator away. Your pictures says it all. You have a very happy group of "subjects"
Thanks for your input
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Post by Charles on Jul 13, 2012 10:10:48 GMT 2
Jan that is the way I feel a club should be run.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 13, 2012 19:58:41 GMT 2
Hi Marius
You are correct, this Forum IS LOCSA with or without a formal structure. As far as I am concerned I have not changed my mind since the last elections. A formal structure is not required.
Ronnie
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