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Post by Ihar on Jul 10, 2012 13:06:33 GMT 2
I accept all and any nominations for me which have been made to date, I would also to change my nomination for treasurer to Charles.
It will be an honour to server LCOSA.
Tjeers
Steve
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Post by vincentc on Jul 10, 2012 13:15:54 GMT 2
Thank you for the nomination. I accept the nomination as co-vice chairman along with Marius.
Regards Vincent
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Post by RATEL on Jul 10, 2012 16:07:53 GMT 2
I vote for a Locsa group without a chair for anyone to sit on! All this seriousness and fighting is affecting the perception members have about everything. I myself and some other members I know of spend a lot less time on the net reading, it is not only a site for technical assistance or to keep the Niva name high, but also one for socialising (seeing as we spend too much fixing our Nivas, no problem with that ;D). And to be honest, if you can't enjoy the little toy, the people or the group. What is the point. It all does not start with the nitty gritty technical stuff, but first with the astounding capabilities of this little russian(without a roll) and then social perception of it all (once you have your Niva, it is worth waiting for parts). A lot of members buy a Niva for a daily and others have it as a toy. But it will always remain a big part of our hearts! If we make it fun being here, we will make it fun in general and thus lure in more people. Or some of those lost, back. . . or even stop people from selling their Nivas totally! Sorry for you who wants to buy! There are only so many in SA. I am quoting someone, "... people are taking a hobby and making it into work. That just leads to fights, politics and the fun aspect being lost." I do think that we need moderators, event organisers (a lot of them) and specially our drinking generals ( who can that be). . . Cheers Darius P.S. Now I need some more russian power, where did I store that Niva song!!
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Post by Charles on Jul 10, 2012 18:49:57 GMT 2
Steve I accept that nomination.
Charles
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Post by spikes on Jul 10, 2012 19:30:17 GMT 2
Darius wrote: I vote for a Locsa group without a chair for anyone to sit on! All this seriousness and fighting is affecting the perception members have about everything. I myself and some other members I know of spend a lot less time on the net reading, it is not only a site for technical assistance or to keep the Niva name high, but also one for socialising (seeing as we spend too much fixing our Nivas, no problem with that ). And to be honest, if you can't enjoy the little toy, the people or the group. What is the point.
Folks, if you take the trouble to read the history of the Management structure of LOCSA anyone, can work out that I was against a formal structure for an ONLINE club. I am sure Marius started working on the Tyre lifeline BEFORE to structure came into place. And he put the lifeline in place without much assistance from the "Structure". I applaud him for that.
The "Structure" did not avoid hard words between members. Nor bad feeling in some cases.
There are very experienced members on the forum, many are in senior managerial positions at their workplaces. Over time, when one is in a decision making role, it leads to "My view" is the only view.
This has lead to some of the heated conversations in the past, and will undoubtedly, do so again.
Perhaps LOCSA should really take Darius's words to heart and ask ourselves what do we expect from an Online Management structure, that an Administrator and Moderators cannot do.
Regional Organisers LOCSA should have. The successful meetings in Gauteng and KZN proves that beyond any doubt
Lastly, before I finally shut up for the evening, LOCSA needs a Code of Conduct for the forum.
Regards all
Spikes
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Post by ronnie on Jul 10, 2012 20:10:43 GMT 2
Hi Spikes and Darius
I also was against a formal structure for LOCSA. It was totally unnecessary for an on line Forum. I also know Marius did not want it. I agree an Events organizer for each region will be valuable, and anyone else wanting to organize a get together or whatever should be able to do so.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Jul 11, 2012 9:32:31 GMT 2
Though I agree in essence with everything that has been said by Darius/Spikes/Ronnie, LOCSA requires that an election be held every two years.
This is exactly the reason why I started this thread as long ago as May the 21st - so that we can discuss these issues. Unfortunately very few members responded and I had to deduct from what has been said at the time, that all is well in Ladaland and that we have the go-ahead for elections.
Perhaps we now need a poll to determine whether we actually need a Management Structure - or not?
Marius
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Post by ronnie on Jul 11, 2012 9:42:19 GMT 2
Hi Marius I think a poll would be a good idea. Ronnie
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Post by marius on Jul 11, 2012 9:54:59 GMT 2
OK Ronnie lets see what the rest of the day brings. ;D
Marius
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Post by spikes on Jul 11, 2012 10:00:17 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Having the Poll will be a good thing.
We have more active members than in 2010.
Spikes
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Post by Charles on Jul 11, 2012 10:07:48 GMT 2
I also think the poll is a good idea.
Charles
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Post by Ihar on Jul 11, 2012 10:19:15 GMT 2
Hi
I am fully in favour of keeping the current management structure, maybe with changes, for a few reasons:
1> We need some sort of leadership for the club for strategic reasons in order to take it forward into the future. 2> If an event occurs that suddenly requires decision making there needs to be a management structure in place. 3> I agree in esensce that the management structure does not necessarily need to be associated with the leadership forum (which can be handled by moderators), but needs to be part of the bigger picture.
Tjeers
Steve
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Post by marius on Jul 11, 2012 10:39:44 GMT 2
Hi all
I will set up a poll later during the day. It will be based on a simple Yes or No. You can only vote once but if you wish to retract your vote at a later stage you are welcome to do so. The poll will close on the 18th of July 2012.
Marius
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Post by Riaan on Jul 11, 2012 11:04:19 GMT 2
Hi
Why not take the poll, see what the majority of members thoughts are on the matter and then make a decision from there?
Personally I think a ''council'' of about three senior members to lead the forum is a much safer and better option than a single leader with each member on the council having one vote if there happens to arise such a big problem that leadership really do have to make a big and or drastic decision. With three moderators and a event organizer in every part of the country.
Riaan
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Post by sparky on Jul 11, 2012 11:06:59 GMT 2
if it ain't broke why fix it..........just asking
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Post by ronnie on Jul 11, 2012 12:11:07 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Thanks for the poll. It will be interesting to see the results
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Jul 11, 2012 12:18:31 GMT 2
Hi All
This is a Forum and to me does not require a formal structure. I do agree there needs to be some way to organize outings / functions, but I am sure there are members who will do this without being elected into a position. Any major (or minor) decisions needing to be made can simply be done via a poll set up by the Moderators. I notice and give credit to the way Spikes carries out his job of Moderator. He should stay in that important position.
Ronnie
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Post by RATEL on Jul 11, 2012 17:15:11 GMT 2
Agreed Ronnie, I also think Spikes is worthy of this position!
My other recommendation for moderator(s) would be Marius and Ronnie. . . Your experience with Locsa and the Niva is my biggest motivator for voting for you. I hope there is space for three, it will give each a bit of rest in between . . . ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 17:43:22 GMT 2
Hi,
Firstly I want to say thank you to Darius and to for having the courage to challenge the way things work, Marius for suggesting a Poll and everyone else who responded calmly and rationally.
This thread could easily have turned into a argument because of the difference of opinions, and that alone speaks volumes about the people on this forum.
Maybe we must consider what we want achieve as an owners club and then decide if the management structure is helping us get to these goals or is it there because it seems like the right thing to do?
That being said, I don't think that the current management structure is doing a bad job,its just overkill. An example of this is the position of treasurer. We don't pay subscriptions, so why have this post?
My take on the matter is that Locsa is like a "virtual" braai. A gathering place for people with a common interest. Some want to talk about the rugby, others want to show off their new secret recipe marinade and others are just there to drink. Just like a braai, the forum doesn't need a formal management structure, only a set of house rules to keep things civil. If there are any major decisions to make, put it to the vote.
Just my 2c worth
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Post by ronnie on Jul 11, 2012 17:59:59 GMT 2
Hi Darius
I think the Moderators are fine as it is. You have Marius and Spikes and probably you need 1 more. I do not really want any position in Locsa as I am very far away and I do not even have a Niva now. I am back into classic cars which has always been my main interest.
Ronnie
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Post by danie on Jul 11, 2012 19:44:07 GMT 2
Hi
This might most probably be uncalled for - but wouldn't it make sense to discuss the pro - and cons of a formal Structure , before we do casts our votes ?
Or has it been discussed before ?
This post is a response to an e.Mail which I have opened just now.
I must admit, I do not read all posts at the forum, and I do apologize if I have missed a previous discussion in this regard.
Danie
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Post by Charles on Jul 11, 2012 19:51:20 GMT 2
Danie I do not think it has been discussed.
Charles
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Post by Ihar on Jul 11, 2012 19:54:47 GMT 2
Locks management?
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Post by danie on Jul 11, 2012 19:55:43 GMT 2
Thanks Charles, I have casted my vote a bit earlier , but it has since been removed .
Believe me - I am not trying to be "difficult" - to my mind this issue could have serious implications though.
Danie
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Post by spikes on Jul 11, 2012 20:00:21 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I assume you mean you retracted your own vote?
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Post by Ihar on Jul 11, 2012 20:00:30 GMT 2
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Post by ronnie on Jul 11, 2012 20:03:36 GMT 2
Hi Danie
What would the serious implications be ?. LOCSA run before with no management structure and I personally can see very little difference since it was introduced. I think members can think something like this out themselves.
Ronnie
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Post by Ihar on Jul 11, 2012 20:07:24 GMT 2
But there again, maybe this should be rephrased:
1> What do you expect and need from LOCSA? 2> Where should LOCSA be in 5 years from now? 3> Based on the above do we need a management structure?
If you read between the lines above, you will see I have left a lot of food for thought, so I will be interested to hear everyone opinions
Tjeers
Steve
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Post by ronnie on Jul 11, 2012 20:12:01 GMT 2
Hi Charles
There has been many comments from members and I certainly have voiced my opinion. I think anyone else wanting to comment could have done so
Ronnie
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Post by Ihar on Jul 11, 2012 20:15:55 GMT 2
Charles / Ronnie
I agree, but there have been more votes than there were people commenting about the management structure. I feel it would be invaluable to hear everyone's opinions.
Tjeers
Steve
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