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Post by marius on Jun 26, 2010 18:15:45 GMT 2
Hi all Another major cause of vibration (on any car) is when the clutch assembly is not centered properly. I don't know whether the centering tool is still supplied with the clutch assembly - but I never got one from the dealer. Very simple tool to make - I had one made at an engineering shop for free from a stainless steel rod. The narrow end of the shaft fits into the pilot bearing (15mm) and the thicker end (20mm) fits into the flange of the pressure plate. Make sure it fits nice and level when you tighten the screws. Regards Marius
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Post by lada & korean parts on Jun 28, 2010 8:55:25 GMT 2
gees,we sent about 50 for scrap a while ago,never sell them,not usually needede.
if you have a scrap g/box sitting around,you can always use the spigot/input shaft off that for the aligning tool.
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Post by marius on Jun 28, 2010 9:27:54 GMT 2
Hi Andy I think (at least in the good old days) that little tool is supposed to be included as part of a clutch kit. Looks like it's not the case anymore Regards Marius
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Post by danie on Jun 28, 2010 17:56:08 GMT 2
Hi Marius
That tool makes things a lot easier to align the clutch plate up properly.
If the clutch plate is just 1mm off center, it could become very difficult to get the gearbox spigot / input shaft in place (the small bearing in the center of the flywheel)
Regards
Danie
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Post by ronnie on Jun 28, 2010 19:27:19 GMT 2
Hi Danie and Marius I have only been lucky once to get an alignment tool with a clutch kit. All the other times I have selected a socket to fit inside the pilot bearing and using it on the end of an extension which gives you to have a good visual guide if you are in the centre. This has always worked for me Regards Ronnie
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Post by marius on Jun 28, 2010 19:56:59 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie & Danie I'm sure you can improvise with anything - however I find it a little worrying that it would seem that the tool is supposed to be supplied with the kit - but somehow it almost never does. Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised at all Regards Marius
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Post by danie on Jun 28, 2010 20:19:18 GMT 2
Hi Marius Modern vehicles are too complicated - I think the days are gone where anybody with average technical skills would be prepared to undertake any major repairs themselves . ..........so maybe the need for this tool is not what it used to be. That's one of the reasons why I love my Lada to bits - it's easy to work on, old technology, and one does not need to be related to Einstein to get mobile.......... Regards Danie
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Post by Hercules on Jun 28, 2010 20:53:45 GMT 2
Hi All.
Even the Valeo clutch kit came without the alignment tool. Inside the package is a pamphlet and it refers that only qualified technicians must install the clutch kit. That is the reason why nobody supplied no longer the alignment tool. Now you had to pay some person a bunch of money to fit a simple clutch. Luckily there are us used to work on our vehicles and can make a plan if you have not the equipment. I got Two alignment tools from years ago of previous clutch kits and it make life so much easier.
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Post by lada & korean parts on Jun 29, 2010 1:13:40 GMT 2
i can't recall EVER seeing an aligning tool in supplied in any kits i have fitted over the years (even when i was throwing spanners around in nz)
we used to have a selection of old spigot shafts that we would select & use........
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Post by marius on Jun 29, 2010 8:17:27 GMT 2
Hi Andy
I remember - as a kid - many moons ago it came as part of the kit.
PS - One question >> where did you get the 50 odd you chucked?
Regards Marius
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Post by lada & korean parts on Jun 30, 2010 6:35:27 GMT 2
when we bought out lada australia,they had STACKS of special tools........
ended up dumping most,no one ever asked for anything.
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Post by marius on Jun 30, 2010 8:27:12 GMT 2
Hi Andy
Back in the late sixties my dad bought one of the few Holdens that made it's way to SA. Not very popular here - but quite a tough car and we had it for many years. Anyways my brothers were quite keen "macs" those days and I remember them fitting clutch kits with the tool.
Even when they had there own cars the tool came with the clutch kits.
I guess things changed during the latter part of the 80's?
Regards Marius
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Apr 11, 2011 7:24:43 GMT 2
Hi guys The following happend to me. over a period of about 3 days my clutch got 'softer' and it felt as if the gears were struggling to engage as easily as normally. I had to push in the clutch flat to get the same response i normaly get. Didnt feel as if it was disengaging properly.
Last night it stopped working completely and didnt want to go into gear while the Lada was started. I check the slave cyllinder and saw quite an amoumt of fluid has leaked out and leaks out everytime someone steps on the clutch
I checked the fluid level and saw that it was empty. From my conclusion the piston in the slave cyllinder is leaking. Where can I you get hold of one?
I am going to try and fix it myself as I bought the lada to learn more about working on cars. Any tips?
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Post by darryn on Apr 11, 2011 7:56:26 GMT 2
Hey Hanno-
Go to any auto spares shop and ask for the slave cylinder kit for the fiat Uno. Shouldn't cost more than R60. Take the slave off, replace the parts, put it back- bleed it- and bob's your uncle.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 11, 2011 9:11:54 GMT 2
Hi Hanno Check the cylinder bore for any light marks, and if there is any buy a small honing tool at the spares shop. Or you could do the same as me and take a piece of m8 or m6 plain rod and cut a slot down the length of one end slightly shorter than a strip of emery (fine) and wrap a piece clockwise around the rod and use this. I use a thin brass rod but you may find it difficult t find one. TIP, If you fit a new thermostat to your geyser you have a nice hollow brass rod in the old one. Ronnie
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Apr 11, 2011 11:47:14 GMT 2
Thx for the replies
I tried to remove the slave cyllinder but is struggling a bit to get the hose off. There seems to be two bolts at the end of the cyllinder that is supposed to release the hose if you loosen them. I cannot get them to turn without damaging the faces of the bolts.
Can I just cut of the hose and fit it to the new cyllinder? I haven't bought it yet so I am not sure how the fitting to the hose will work
Any help?
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Post by darryn on Apr 11, 2011 12:20:18 GMT 2
Those two parts seizing together happened to me too, and I eventually got the plug out by putting it into a bench vice and getting a proper spanner. I turned the bolt closest to the body of the cylinder ( I think it's size 21). I had a new hose made and it's cost me an arm and a leg, but that was before I knew anything.
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Apr 11, 2011 12:44:20 GMT 2
Ouch, will try to avoid that! I talked to the at midas and he said it is not neccesary to remove the whole cyllinder unit, I can just remove the piston and fit the new seals to it and hone the cyllinder befor putting it back in.
The problem is though I strugle to get the piston out, there isnt suffucient fluid pressure to get the piston out by pumping the clutch(it slides nearly out though) Will it help if I bleed the system first to get enough pressure to push it out? (Is it even possible to get the piston out the side of the pushrod? or should I remove the back first with those two 'seized' bolts?
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Post by ronnie on Apr 11, 2011 13:40:00 GMT 2
Hi Hanno
If you are having major problems undo the other end of the flexible and then you can do the same as Darryn. From memory to remove the piston you need to remove the large hex plug. The piston will not come out at the pushrod end!!. You really need to remove the cylinder to do the job properly. You must always use good quality spanners on the brake connections as they round of very easy.
Ronnie
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Apr 14, 2011 22:27:32 GMT 2
I am still strugling to remove the back of the cyllinder. If I cut the hose of to take it out and put it in a vice, how difficult would it be to fix the hose again? Is there a fitting or something I can use to rejoin the hose?
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Post by Charles on Apr 14, 2011 22:49:29 GMT 2
You will have to have a hose made up or maybe find the correct length at a spares shop. Isn't that expensive.
Charles
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Apr 16, 2011 11:08:38 GMT 2
I got the cyllinder off at last I bought the uno clutch slave cyllinder seal kit bit it was substansialy larger. Do you guys know what seals I must buy?
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Post by marius on Apr 16, 2011 11:13:44 GMT 2
Hi Hano
Unfortunately I don't but maybe Ventz might be able to help you with an original kit?
Regards Marius
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Post by Charles on Apr 16, 2011 12:22:51 GMT 2
Take the seals to a spares shop. Im sure they will be able to match it with something else.
Charles
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Post by ronnie on Apr 16, 2011 12:34:16 GMT 2
Hi Hanno
I simply took mine to the spares shop as Charles suggests and got new seals there.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Apr 16, 2011 12:41:26 GMT 2
Hi Hanno
Another thing, clean everything with brake cleaner before assembly and then apply some red rubber grease to the seals before fitting them.
Charles
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Post by Jakes on Sept 2, 2011 18:12:37 GMT 2
Hi guys
Anyone know where I can get a clutch kit from in the Durban area, how much the go for and what actually comes in the kit?
There is a grinding noise that is coming from that area. It sounds like the clutch is not releasing back properly, so there is this horrible grinding, cluttering noise. Almost sounds like the gearbox is about to fall out.
The guys working on my car reckon that the clutch it not releasing properly.
I have a Niva 21213 1.7l
Jakes
P.S. Anywhere but "Pinetown"
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Post by danie on Sept 3, 2011 6:27:04 GMT 2
Hi Jakes
A complete kit usually comes with the following:
1. Clutch friction Disc. 2. Pressure plate - which consists of the release fingers, cover, springs, and plate. 3. Thrust Bearing.
You might not need all these items, so I think it will make sense to remove everything to find out which component(s) are faulty.
Once the above mentioned components have been removed, you could also make sure about the condition of the Pilot Bearing - at the center of the Flywheel. You can just rotate the bearing with a finger to ensure that it is not worn.
I am not sure about local availability, but I need to visit Autozone this morning. So I will find out whether they do sell any complete Clutch kits.
Danie
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Post by danie on Sept 3, 2011 9:15:44 GMT 2
Hi Jakes Autozone sells complete LUK clutch kits for Ladas at R1400.00. I took this pic of a Lada clutch kit at Autozone, Old Main Road, Pinetown: Danie
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Post by danie on Sept 3, 2011 9:35:12 GMT 2
Hi guys P.S. Anywhere but "Pinetown" Hi Jakes Pinetown is actually a Fine town . Danie
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