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Post by danie on Sept 30, 2011 18:02:06 GMT 2
A pic of the washer marks on the mounting rubbers housing which have been removed from my Lada: Unfortunately the washer marks at the top mounting rubber housing is not as clear as on the bottom one - and can not be seen at the pic . A mark located more or less at the same spot as on the bottom one, is visible with the bear eye though. It would be interesting to know why there seem to be difference in this regard between different Ladas, and hopefully more owners will let us know where the studs are located at their Lada's rubber housings. Danie
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Post by ronnie on Sept 30, 2011 18:53:28 GMT 2
Hi Danie
From what I can see on your mountings they look as if they have been close to centre.
Ronnie
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Post by danie on Sept 30, 2011 19:02:16 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
I hope to find my two spare rubber mountings tomorrow.
It came from a stripped Lada, and maybe some washer marks will be visible.
Danie
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Post by vincentc on Sept 30, 2011 19:37:40 GMT 2
Ok, The poor lada gets the bad rap every time. I have had a vibration problem that was difficult to track down as it was never consistent.
The moegoe who last worked on my Niva (err that was me) did not make 100% sure that the nuts holding the propshaft on were tightened. I am ashamed.
Vibration gone...
Niva 1 - Moegoe 0
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Post by spikes on Sept 30, 2011 19:47:07 GMT 2
Ok, The poor lada gets the bad rap every time. I have had a vibration problem that was difficult to track down as it was never consistent. The moegoe who last worked on my Niva (err that was me) did not make 100% sure that the nuts holding the propshaft on were tightened. I am ashamed. Vibration gone... Niva 1 - Moegoe 0 On Prop-shafts..... the u-joint on the rear of the rear shaft on Bongol is getting stiff as I cannot get grease into the nipple. Has consensus been reached that NIVA u-joints CAN be rebuilt locally with local components? Regards Spikes
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Post by Charles on Sept 30, 2011 19:58:18 GMT 2
Skikes they should be able to.
Had a look at my intermediate shaft today and it runns like it is solid. Perfectly straight.
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Post by ronnie on Oct 1, 2011 8:31:13 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I am very interested for members to advise where their mountings are in relation to the studs. We will then know if this is a common problem or if I and Trevor were unlucky. I think Vincent`s mountings are very close to the studs. They can be close as long as there is clearance.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Oct 1, 2011 8:34:43 GMT 2
Hi Spikes
I have read posts where the joints were replaced here. I am sure a good spares shop will be able to match the joint. If not try a prop specialist.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Oct 1, 2011 9:41:29 GMT 2
You can also look for factory marks on the body around the adjuster plate near the front of the TC. You will probably have to clean the area in order to see these marks (if any). That should also help with adjustments.
Marius
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Post by danie on Oct 1, 2011 10:31:29 GMT 2
I finally managed to find the other two mounting rubbers - still mounted to my Ladas original Transfer Box ! Anyway, the washer marks are located slightly off center - but not close to the ends of the slots : At least I now know that my case the Transfer Box has been located more or less at the "correct" position... Danie
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Post by ronnie on Oct 1, 2011 10:55:54 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I am not sure what washers are normally used on the T/C mountings as mine had silly thin ones which I replaced. If the original ones are substantial you would also need to watch they do not foul against the the mounting and also affect the adjustment.
Ronnie
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Post by danie on Oct 2, 2011 8:08:22 GMT 2
By the way, when I have removed the mounting rubbers from my Lada's Transfer Box yesterday, I have noticed for the first time that both rubbers are damaged, and need to be replaced: The rubber on this one has a huge crack, which makes the mounting completely ineffective: The rubber on this one is cracked around the inner tube: Fortunately my two spare rubbers are still in perfect condition. I think anyone who is thinking of solving vibration problems, should remove the two mounting rubbers first, for proper inspection. It is not always easy so see those rubber cracks when the brackets are still mounted to the car. Danie
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Post by vincentc on Oct 2, 2011 12:13:19 GMT 2
Good point Danie.
We may be looking at a more difficult fix other than replacing simple mountings. As human beings we tend to overcomplicate matters.
regards Vincent
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 2, 2011 13:01:46 GMT 2
Well Guys Here we go .My vibration problem started when i first got my niva so after a long battle trying to fix it i took drastic action .Only this time was fix it or go transfer box and gear box all in one unit no matter how hard it was just anything to get rid of my rechard vibration .After carefull examination of the transfer box turning in the car i soon realized that it was a serious issue that needed serious attension .This video lets you see what i seen to start with .Cheers Trev .
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Post by ronnie on Oct 2, 2011 13:17:42 GMT 2
Hi Trevor The video got lost somewhere between here and Australia Ronnie
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 2, 2011 13:20:42 GMT 2
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 2, 2011 13:26:12 GMT 2
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Post by danie on Oct 2, 2011 13:29:01 GMT 2
That looks pretty smooth Trev. The Fiat engine's purring sounds very good too . Danie
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 2, 2011 13:30:27 GMT 2
Ok Guys after a battle trying to post those two we have fixed our computer problems .Now coming up are some pics and info as to how this rotten problem .was finaly sorted .Cheers Trev .
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 2, 2011 13:54:05 GMT 2
Sorry Lads ,Our internet provider here has just advised that they shutting down in ten minutes to do maitanace work so we will have no bloody internet service again so i will have to continue this tomorrow .Cheers Trev .
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 3, 2011 14:33:03 GMT 2
Well guys ,when i undid the T/C Flange to gearbox flange the aligment looked like this as i cant show you it in the car i set it up like so you can see how far to the side it was offline .
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 3, 2011 14:38:25 GMT 2
When i undit it the thing popped apart like this
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 3, 2011 14:45:45 GMT 2
The reason it was apart is because the slides on the mounting were up tight to the bolts as seen in the pic and the T/C Needed to go further forward to take up the gap .There was a 2mm Spacer ring between the two flanges and left another 2mm to 4mm gap to be filled so the next pic shows what was done to fill the gap .
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 3, 2011 14:49:39 GMT 2
This is what the mounting bolts look like up close and personal.
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 3, 2011 14:58:42 GMT 2
So looking at the mounting slots you will see 2 marks in white and that is the section we drilled out to be able to move the mounting further forward and now the studs are still against the mounting slots but the T/C box is now far enough forward to allow the doughnut to run straight but later when i can find motr spacer rings to fit in i will do it and that should put the studs in the centre of the slides .
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 3, 2011 15:04:47 GMT 2
So that temporary took care of the back and forth slide adjustment for now but then came the problem i mentioned at the start of my posts tonight regarding the side ways, off line problem that i had .
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 3, 2011 15:22:18 GMT 2
This is a pic of that Spacer ring that fits between the T/C and Gearbox Flages, or couplings, or ini joints .Cheers Trev .
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 3, 2011 16:10:46 GMT 2
So this is the course we decided to take and what it does is give you room for side adjustment as well ,so now we have movement sideways ,Back and Forth ,and up and down .We fitted the T/C Box back in the niva and bolted every thing up and left the mounting bolts loose and done the Baxters T/Case Alignment Thing and after letting the T/C Box find its possition we fitted washers in each side of the studs that hold the mountings to the T/C box and fitted our spacer plates under the mountings and tightened up the Mounting Bolts and am now driving a lovely quiet Vibration Free Lada Niva .And it sure feels great to be able to start of from start and go through the rev range from 0 to 115 kilometres an hour with absolutely no vibrations at all .We think it is an amazing result on our part .Now having said that, this may not be everyones ideal fix as we know there are multiple other reasons why Nivas get the Vibes But this has been an amazing fix for my Niva and may well be worth your while to investigate yours if you are experencing Lada Niva Vibration Problems As when you undo your T/C and Gearbox Flanges take a look and see if they are lined up properly sideways as mine were certainly not and sometimes we just dont look at that because we just assume they are spot on as far as sideways alignment is concerned And thats it for now guys so good luck in finding your Nivas Vibrations and Happy motoring .Cheers Trev .
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Post by ronnie on Oct 3, 2011 17:08:37 GMT 2
Hi Trevor
Thanks for going to the bother of taking all the photos. Your problem was the same as mine though I did not have a problem side to side. I would say after doing the alignment it would be worth while removing the nut and washer from the mounting to the body one at a time and check the studs are clearing the sides of the mounting. Doing them one by one will keep everything in alignment. If there is a problem your method will correct that as well.
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Post by 90ladaniva on Oct 4, 2011 1:50:14 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie ,Thanks for your input but yes the clearances are all fine but just need to get 1 or 2 more spacer rings from some where and every thing will be dandy mate .Im over the moon with it at the moment and love driving it again now so yes thats about it .I dont realy need the rings urgent as its good like it is and works a treat but just saying that if i had them it would give me more adjustment Back and Forth should the time come that i need it .Cheers Trev .
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