Hercules
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Post by Hercules on May 7, 2011 21:32:29 GMT 2
Wecome back Danie, I surely missed you a lot. My Lada got also some mods, so what, I am not going to make people rich to stay pure.
My Lada got a modified waterpump, a modified cam plus some head mods and the starter solonoid is also modified. The next mod will be a radiator which will stay cold even in a two hour peak trafic standstill.
Again welcome back.
Regards.
Hercules
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Post by danie on May 7, 2011 21:33:35 GMT 2
Hi Danie I think it would be fair to say that we (those who took part in the discussion) warned you against the “mod” for safety reasons as we regarded the “mod” as dangerous. Fortunately for the new LOCSA forum I have not come across anybody who pretended “to know it all”. There are however individuals with vast technical skills and experience (including you) and we are all extremely greatfull for these individuals who are more than willing to share their knowledge with the rest of us. Marius Hi Marius My problem in this regard is that none of the members who "warned" me about this so called "mod", do have the technical knowledge to tell whether the tensioner in my possession is indeed a so called "mod" - or whether it is a different version of a tentioner - which could easily be an improvement on the original Lada tensioner. In fact, I still strongly believe that this tensioner has been professionally built, (most probably in Russia) and that it is not a modification (by a fool) at all ! So that's my problem - I was looking for facts, not "warnings" by members who probably have never seen the inner components of any tensioner in their lifetime. Regards Danie
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Post by danie on May 7, 2011 21:49:01 GMT 2
Hi Danie I also do not know of any member that is currently misusing the LOCSA forum for personal financial gain, but if you do know of such a person or persons you are most welcome to contact Management in this regard. I do know that you are not referring to me but just to put the record straight – so far the tyre import has cost me R88 in basic paper work and a couple of hundred bucks in petrol money and telephone calls. But if there are members out there making money out of LOCSA then I am definitely considering a small ”handling fee” in future imports Regards Marius Hi Marius I was actually referring to the old (crashed) Forum where one of the Suppliers bekakked himself about any given modification on any given Lada. He even bekakked himself about the aftermarket radiator cap on my Lada , always "blew his own whisle" at the forum - but made a mess in installing wheelbearings in my Lada. Regards Danie
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Post by ronnie on May 7, 2011 21:51:43 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I think you are being very unfair with your comments re the expertise of some members. If you can read a drawing and read what the Russians say about their design you do not even have to open a tensioner to understand exactly how it works. I remember in one of your posts when you said you did not understand how it worked, so you are no different to the rest of us. I made an effort to study the tensioner so that i could also understand it`s workings and understand the design parameters laid down by the Russians.
Ronnie
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Post by danie on May 7, 2011 22:13:43 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
I do not think that I have made an unfair comment at all.
If you do read my posts again, you will see that I have passed that specific comment before I have opened the tensioner.
With respect, reading a drawing and seeing how things work in real life are almost two worlds apart from each other.
Believe me, I do have lots of experience in this regard. At work we are continuously involved in designing new products on paper - but almost always have to make adjustments / modifications to finally make it work.
Regards
Danie
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Post by marius on May 7, 2011 22:30:55 GMT 2
Hi Danie I must admit I am slightly taken aback by your response and I sat here probably for 15 minutes - thinking how I should respond. >> You will remember that I had a huge argument around the lock washer for the gearbox but I think I was able to proof my point - it will be great if you can too. BUT until you can deliver some real proof that someone improved the tensioner on the basic Lada Niva like the one you have - the only official tensioner remains the one as in the drawing on page 33 of the Repair Manual of the Lada Niva 1700. See also A140 in the 2003 Parts Manual for the Lada Niva for an exploded view. For the sake of those who do not know the internals of their Lada's tensioner I attach a pic of the drawing below. Marius Attachments:
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Post by marius on May 7, 2011 23:12:38 GMT 2
Hi Marius My problem in this regard is that none of the members who "warned" me about this so called "mod", do have the technical knowledge to tell whether the tensioner in my possession is indeed a so called "mod" - or whether it is a different version of a tentioner - which could easily be an improvement on the original Lada tensioner. In fact, I still strongly believe that this tensioner has been professionally built, (most probably in Russia) and that it is not a modification (by a fool) at all ! So that's my problem - I was looking for facts, not "warnings" by members who probably have never seen the inner components of any tensioner in their lifetime. Regards Danie Danie if you read your original post again you will find that you were the one that indicated your tensioner could be a mod and not the technically impaired members you refer to. locsa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=technical&action=display&thread=20&page=9Do you really want a tiny spring to spoil the fun? Lets move on in the interest of LOCSA. Marius
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Post by danie on May 7, 2011 23:14:36 GMT 2
Hi Marius To my mind it is simply not possible to compair the tensioner in my possession, with the tensioner at the drawing (above). Firstly, the drawing of the small pin (at the drawing above) do not show the complete pin at all. So I do not know how it would be possible to figure out how it actually works, without seeing the complete pin. I have seen a drawing or pic of the "small pin" on a tensioner elsewhere though (can't remember where) and that pin definately looked very different from the pin on my tensioner. Fact is, while the small pin on my tensioner definately looks different, I strongly believe that the pin is not a home made "snot and string" modification. I am also not aware of any drawing of the tensioner in my possession - so I do not understand how anybody out there would be able to figure out how this (different) tensioner actually works - without seeing a drawing thereof. As far as I am concerned, we are actually discussing two different types of tensioner which operates differently. To repeat myself - that's why I am not interested in any warnings. Regards Danie
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Post by darryn on May 7, 2011 23:20:11 GMT 2
A storm in a tensioner teacup? It's good to have you back Danie.
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Post by danie on May 8, 2011 7:50:39 GMT 2
Many thanks for all the welcomes.
I hope not to "stir" too much in future . ;D
Regards
Danie
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Post by marius on May 8, 2011 7:52:36 GMT 2
Hi Danie
It is clear from this thread (and many others) that you are a very important player in the LOCSA family. Many members admire you guts and determination (me included). You were the one that almost single handedly brought LOCSA back from the dead.
It is clear to me that you took the discussion on the tensioner personally - and I can assure you IT IS NOT.
The idea of me posting a drawing of the internals of the tensioner is in no way an effort to compare it with the one in your possession - but only to ensure that this particular tensioner is the correct one to use until proven otherwise.
I am sure that if a new tensioner has been manufactured to replace the old one - someone out there will know about it. Perhaps you should take this discussion onto the international forums that you've mentioned and report back to us on your findings.
Regards Marius
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Post by danie on May 8, 2011 8:40:10 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Thanks for the kind words, but you are making a big mistake.
I never take things like this personally !
To my mind life is too short to to get influenced by negative personal feelings - so I always rather prefer to "move on" and not no waste time on things which do not make sense to me.
Regards
Danie
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Post by marius on May 8, 2011 9:26:48 GMT 2
Hi Danie
Perhaps then I should do the right thing and apologize for making the wrong deduction. I am looking forward to your findings with regard to the tensioner.
Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on May 8, 2011 10:10:25 GMT 2
Hi Danie
The drawing we are referring to is not a design drawing but a WORKING drawing, and there are plenty of versions which show the pin in full and the Russians actually describe in full the way it works. Your tensioner does not meet these requirements, and would not be recommended to use. Like you I have been involved in drawings good and bad for 50 years, and know how to read them. Perhaps you can post an official drawing of you tensioner and then show how it can absorb any chain shocks.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on May 8, 2011 10:13:19 GMT 2
Great minds think alike (even their timing) Ari you don't have to explain - but what do you mean by "even their timing"? Marius
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 8, 2011 10:17:33 GMT 2
Charles and I posted the identical thing at the exact same time. Check the times the posts were posted. both were posted at 7:16pm.
Ari
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Post by marius on May 8, 2011 10:19:58 GMT 2
Oh ok - it just had me baffled for a while - now it is clear as daylight Thanks! Marius
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Post by marje46nuns on May 8, 2011 23:10:23 GMT 2
It's great to have you back Danie - it's been kinda quiet without you! ;D ;D
NIKKI
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Post by hotstuff on May 9, 2011 12:58:28 GMT 2
welcome back danie
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Post by dgc on May 9, 2011 14:10:27 GMT 2
I don't spend as much time on this forum as many of the other members but I visit occasionally and contribute where I know my comments are going to be constructive. Over the past few months it seems as though conflicts have developed between some of the regular members.
There are certain members that have made huge contributions to the livelyhood and success of this forum and we all respect that. However, this is a public forum by it's very nature and not everyone is interested in the drama and apparent power struggles that happen behind the scenes.
It becomes very difficult and time consuming for those that aren't interested in the drama to sift through the trash in order to get to some solid and reliable information.
When the 'veteran members', as it were, can't seem to get along then it makes it far less likely that 'newby members' will feel comfortable to ask a question, expect a sincere response or rely on the information that is responded.
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Post by marius on May 9, 2011 14:39:55 GMT 2
Hi Douw
Thanks for your brutal honest opinion and I hope these comments serve as a good example to our members. The conduct of our members should first and foremost be in the interest of LOCSA and it should therefore reflect in our posts on this forum.
What I do not agree with is your following statement: "It becomes very difficult and time consuming for those that aren't interested in the drama to sift through the trash in order to get to some solid and reliable information."
This debacle was posted in a separate thread "Re: Time to say Goodbuy" the subject line of this particular thread would hardly be one that you would be looking to get "some solid and reliable information" in the first place.
Nevertheless I do thank you for your valuable post and I want to assure our members once again that freedom of speech and freedom of expression is most certainly encouraged on the LOCSA forum.
Regards Marius
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Post by 90ladaniva on Jul 9, 2011 4:55:06 GMT 2
Hi Guys ,You know its really funny but i have been looking at this Forum for a fair while now and just havnt really noticed this thread before now .And when i was reading Danies Story about Leaving it was real disturbing news to me .So i am ever so pleased Dan has decided to stay on as we really appreciate this thoughts and Ideas over on our side of the pond as we do with all the LOCSA members on your exelent Forum .Ive found on since ive been a member of your forum i have certainly learnt a great Deal about the workings and stuff that make my little Beast what it is today and all so not forgetting our own Australian Lada Niva Forum Also .So yes its great that Dan remains on board and its been a real Privilage to be asociated with such a great bunch of Guys and Girls on both the above Forums .Cheers Trev [Australia] .
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Post by marius on Jul 9, 2011 8:25:01 GMT 2
Hi Trev So true and it is fantastic to see that the Niva community throughout the world has so many great people willing to help a fellow owner in a spot of bother at a moments notice. We are truly one HUGE family Marius
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Post by danie on Jul 9, 2011 10:58:38 GMT 2
Hi Trev
Thanks for the kind words.
Yes, these chaps and ladies at the forum are all great people - and like any healthy family who like to share ideas and knowledge, we do like to share things here as well.
Great to have you guys on board as well.
Regards
Danie
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Post by 90ladaniva on Jul 9, 2011 14:03:53 GMT 2
Thank you Guys ,for your comments and like you both said sharing information regarding our Lada Nivas is a great idea and its always good to help a mate or Lady out where you possibly can and thats what makes the Internett such a great invention .Once again Real good to have you back Dan .Cheers Trev .
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Post by vincentc on Jul 9, 2011 14:42:30 GMT 2
Hey Trev, Like any large family there will always be squabbles. The important point to remember is that we are family (with Niva's coursing through the veins) and we will eventually get over the issues.
Try not break your Niva this weekend :-)
Regards Vincent
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Post by 90ladaniva on Jul 9, 2011 16:14:51 GMT 2
Hi Vincentc,To true mate ,I Usualy beleive that most people sort there differences out in the end and that is always a good Thing .Life is to short to spend it arguing over nothing half the time only to find out in the end it was all just a misunderstanding at the very most .I will not break my Niva this weekend as im having a quiet one home and staying warm as its freezing over here at the moment .Cheers Trev.
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Post by danie on Jul 15, 2012 9:24:53 GMT 2
Hi All
I have explained myself under the "Locsa Management election" thread, and I am more than convinced that I am not "running around in circles", and that I have no reason to be ashamed about.
I simply became sick and tired of the attempts at this forum to make my contributions to our Lada community look suspicious.
My biggest mistake ever was probably to re- join this Forum again.
Just a serious request to all members - please do not contact me by e.mail, or on my cell number. I will not respond to any form of communication.
Lastly - I have other interests in life, so there is no need to be worried about me !
Many thanks for all positive contributions to keep our Ladas going in the past in the past.
The time has arrived to say farewell.
Danie.
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Post by Roons on Jul 15, 2012 10:08:30 GMT 2
Danie. U will be missed at this forum and by me. Thanks for all the input advice and intrest shown. Owning a lada is just a small joy of life and if u have found that joy in something better i do understand. If it is us that made u gatfol then it is a shame. Keep well Oom Danie.
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Post by spikes on Jul 15, 2012 10:17:39 GMT 2
Go well, Danie! regards Spikes
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