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Post by butasteve on Jan 27, 2011 23:08:17 GMT 2
Dear all is it possible to id year of manufactured by using serial/chassis, engine no? The chassis no: XTA212160Y1465574. Does the date of first liability always represent the year of manufacture? If not, should the dealer get the correct date? Should I be sold a '90 model as a 2000, can I can the deal? Your comments is appreciative. Regards Stephen
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Post by darryn on Jan 28, 2011 5:38:19 GMT 2
Hey Steve- Ventz will have to help you with this. If you like I can send you his cell number?
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Post by butasteve on Jan 28, 2011 6:11:38 GMT 2
Daryn Good morning.
Thanks. Please send me the contact info. Much appreciated.
Regards Stephen.
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Post by butasteve on Jan 28, 2011 7:34:02 GMT 2
Dear Ventz Good morning
I urgently need your expert advise on a Lada I've bought. The Trader claims it to be a 2001 model. I got the car yesterday afternoon. I could not believe that a 10 year old car built as robust as the Lada be in such a bad state. Late last when I got home, I checked the Registration document and found 1st license responsibility was in 2000. The inside of the engine bay is also in a bad state, which does not match the outside. Do one get bolt-on fenders which can make and older Lada looks newer? Is it in any way possible to determine the age by the chassis no? Please also check my posting in this regard. Looking forward for your comments. Regards Stephen.
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Post by marius on Jan 28, 2011 8:22:36 GMT 2
Hi Stephen I know you directed your question to Ventz but the following from the "book" might help - but before I go on - a lot of people abuse the Niva just because it is considered "cheap" - so YES it is entirely possible "The first three letters designate the maker's code; next six numericals are vehicle model; next letter - model year; last seven numerals - chasis number" There are Nivas that I know off that were manufactured in the late 90's that were registered as 2000 models - but Ventz would probably know better here? Regards Marius
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Post by butasteve on Jan 28, 2011 8:48:19 GMT 2
Marius Good day. Thanks, your input is most welcome. Yeah it's a pity, but the car is realy in a "sorry state" machanical wise. It looks OK on the outside, but the engine bay for example was not cleaned in a decade by the looks of it. I'll take some pics whe I get home - just for the record. I urgently need to get in touch with the Lada Doctor to get a fault list / estimate for repairs that needs to be done to restore the car to it's former glory. Send mike a PM last night. Waiting on his response. Regards Stephen
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Post by butasteve on Jan 28, 2011 9:04:01 GMT 2
Dear All As per the comments from Marius, please help.
I've break the Chassis no into groupings: XTA - Manuf Code 212160 - Vehicle Mod y - Year Model 146 5574 - Chas no How does the Vehicle Model info works. Does it mean for example in this case be a 1.7 Gasoline, 4Spd gearbox? Please explain the yearmodel codes.
Does the 2001 model still have only a 4 Speed forward, with Reverse G/B?
Regards Stephen
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jan 28, 2011 9:25:02 GMT 2
Here yours is near the middle of the page Ari Attachments:
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Post by marius on Jan 28, 2011 9:29:20 GMT 2
Hi Stephan
All I can say is that the 6 in the Vehicle mod number indicates a right hand drive.
IF it is still the original gear box the car should have a 5th gear. Due to the initial problems with the 5th gear - some owners changed to a 4 speed - probably Fiat box. The previous owner or dealership should be able to prove it easily if that was the case.
BUT it could well be that you still have the original with a broken 5th gear.
I would think - If bought from a dealer you should return the car within 7 days from purchase if you are not happy with the deal.
Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Jan 28, 2011 9:32:10 GMT 2
Hi Stephen
All Niva`s since Vanchester started importing into SA in 1996 have been 5 speed. Not sure what the position was before then.
Ronnie
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Post by butasteve on Jan 28, 2011 9:37:38 GMT 2
Guys Thanks for your assistanse. The response is marvalous to say the least.
Will be in touch again.
Kind regards Stephen
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Post by butasteve on Jan 28, 2011 9:40:32 GMT 2
Ronnie The indication on panel shows a 4-speed G/B.
Regards Stephen
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Post by marius on Jan 28, 2011 9:45:04 GMT 2
What panel Stephen?
I do not know of any late model 1.7's that came standard with a 4 speed GB.
Can you post some pics of the car showing the interior and the panel - AND perhaps also the rear end of the car?
Regards Marius
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Post by darryn on Jan 28, 2011 9:59:23 GMT 2
Hey Steve I'm pretty sure VAZ stopped producing the 4 speed gearbox for the Niva in the late 80s. Dude- you sound pretty upset (forgive me if I'm blowing your mood out of proportion), but don't be. If you have spent a decent amount of money on your Niva (20k+) then return it if your'e not happy. But... My "exuberance of youth" opinion is this: I'm not sure how much extra time you have at your disposal, but I'm very sure that ANYTHING that's wrong with your Niva can be fixed by you, with the right tools. I am a bit obsessive about my Niva, but you'll find that there are a couple of guys on the forum who are just as nuts as I am. My earnest and most important advice- if you keep the car- is to download and print the 3 workshop manuals TODAY. If you don't know anything about mechanics, just read through them as many times as possible (that's what I did, much to the amusement of the engineers I worked with). Eventually I knew a lot of the drawings and technical details by heart. That made me more comfortable and confident in dealing with the basic mechanical problems in the process of getting mine through the roadworthy test. If a moron like me can get those things right, then anyone can If you want to see how my enthusiasm was tested a couple of times, have a look at my restoration thread- I'm sure it will help. locsa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=142&page=1I sent you a PM with ventz's numbers. When in doubt- ask the forum Darryn.
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Post by hotstuff on Jan 28, 2011 10:55:36 GMT 2
well sounds like you need some serious help dude. we all here are willing to help.....these wonderful beasts are very easy to going back on the road and with a bit of work you have a class 4x4 that will bring you loads of joy
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Post by butasteve on Jan 28, 2011 11:10:23 GMT 2
Guys, guys Yeah, I'm disappointed to say the least. I'll take a few pics during lunch. I've talked to our "Regsverteenwoordiger". He give me advice, but I do not want to create bad blood flowing with anybody. That my last option. I keep on coming back to the Forum... Marius, I've paid a lot. I know that many a times I've bought a car that I need to do some minor changes, but this is redicules... OK, off to work again. I would love to take a few hours off and go Kraaifontein, but I'm waiting on permission - don't wanna AWOL.
Regards Stephen
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Post by marius on Jan 28, 2011 11:39:29 GMT 2
Ok Stephen - looking forward to the pics.
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Post by butasteve on Jan 28, 2011 13:50:38 GMT 2
Guys you may have a good laugh at me. I've checked again during lunch. The mark showing the 5th gear is removed, hence presumption that it's a 4-speed box. Ja, the 5th gear is non-existent. I'll post the pics in the General Section
Thanks everybody for your input once again.
Regards Stephen
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Post by marius on Jan 28, 2011 14:33:50 GMT 2
Hi Stephen
Your Lada is known as the Sidekick and was specifically developed for the SA market. Definitely came with 5 speed GB - so you either have a 4 speed conversion or a broken 5th gear.
From what I gather you have no 5th gear and/or it does not engage into 5th gear at all.
Regards Marius
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Post by marius on Jan 28, 2011 14:42:21 GMT 2
One way of knowing for sure is to simply take it for a drive - if you can easily reach 90-100km/h without the revs/engine complaining in 4th gear - then you have a conversion. If not then you have a broken 5th gear There is another way but if you undo the wrong nuts you are in trouble so we leave it at that for now. Let us know what you find
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Post by Hercules on Jan 28, 2011 21:44:04 GMT 2
Hi Stephen.
My Vin no is very close to your Lada Vin no and my vehicle was first register in September 2000.
Your Lada is a 2000 model as your papers indicate date for first reg is 2000 and not a 2001 as told by the trader, this is a lie on the side of the trader.
The sidekick has a 5 speed g/b fitted to them as all 1700 Ladas. You might have a 1600 gearbox fitted.
If you are not happy with the lada, just take it back to the trader and chuffed it where the sun do not shine. He lie to you and try to steel your hard earned money. When the new consumer act get in place, traders like that will go down quicker then they started.
There are a lot of good ladas out there for the same price range to be scooped up.
Regards.
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Post by spikes on Jan 29, 2011 6:48:56 GMT 2
Hi Stephen Do as Hercules says. It is clearly a misrepresentation on the dealers part. Or use it as lever to get a rebate Please solve the mystery about the 5th gear. Can you or can't you get the car into fifth gear? Look at Marius's post earlier about revs regards Spikes
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Post by Ventzel on Jan 29, 2011 9:04:46 GMT 2
Hi Stephen,
Sorry for the delay in my answer, the last few days I even had no chance to switch on the computer.
The comments above are correct.
The number 21216 means exactly the model - Lada Niva with bigger tailgate, engine 1700 carburetor with electronic ignition system and RHS steering wheel.
The letter "Y" means the year of manufacture. It is international code which I don't know. Most of Ladas in RSA with letter "Y" were registered in 2000.
But the year of manufacture does not mean the year of registration. Even some cars with the vent triangle window were registered here in 2002. Last of them were produced in 1998. The first delivery which CMH received at the end of 1999 was one outstanding stock of ~100 cars prepared for Vanchester and when Vanchester closed the business in 1998 these cars were on their way to Africa. More than 1 year they stay at the port somewhere in Lithuania, nobody wanted them with the RHS steering.
Look at the logbook, it shows the exact day of registration.
And don't judge to much the dealer, who knows, may be he has seen Niva for first time in his life.
All Ladas imported in South Africa are with 5 speed gearbox, even the old 1600. Some of them were imported first in England (they have speedometer in Miles), then re-exported in Swaziland, and later illegally in South Africa. These are the old times when South Africa and USSR were big enemies and all trades were unthinkable. But see - some inventive people found the way to break the embargo despite the difficulties and bring this legendary vehicle here.
Then yours 4th speed gearbox means that the 5th speed is blocked or the gearbox was replaced with not original one, presumably FIAT one. I remember long years ago Jan was on hunt for old FIAT gearboxes and steering boxes. It's possible to be one of his modifications.
Rgds
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Post by butasteve on Jan 29, 2011 9:06:54 GMT 2
Spikes, Marius, Hercules and Everybody. Thanks for all the help and info. I've decided to keep the car and repair it to it's former glory to the best of my abilities and resources. I'll heavily on Forum Members for Advice and their Know-how. Will start today. Thieves and thugs get sorted by their own kind. Someday I'll meet with him again and we'll have a chat. Businesses come and go, integrity and honesty stays forever. Attached a pic of the engine bay as pet a earlier request. We set the standards where other never dreamt to tread. Regards. Stephen
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Post by Ventzel on Jan 29, 2011 10:14:24 GMT 2
Well, bolted fenders is a brand new info for me. There is no any Niva with bolted fenders, all of them are with welded fenders. It is another crazy modification, I'm curious to see it.
What about that your car is 10 years old but looks like 100 years old - don't worry, I've seen worse. Depends who is driving the car - Terminator T100 or Terminator T1000 - watch the film again.
I remember a car bought just 3 months from new, looking 100 years old. It was scratched, dented, bent, worn, broken at all possible places, even the interior. Even the original steel rims which are very strong were not more in round shape but square. Obviously the driver enjoyed to find where is the breaking point of all. And this ass came to claim guarantee and when we kicked him from behind, he wrote a letter to the customer complain committee. Got nothing, just mutual troubles, scary Niva in his yard and ruined car's image talking rubbish to another Niva potential buyers.
On the other hand I met 2 weeks ago in Stellenbosch an old customer of mine with a car which he drives 9 years in daily use (even he is the second owner) and his Sidekick still looks in showroom condition. We had a lunch and when I asked what problems he experienced with the car - the answer was - Absolutely nothing - only oil, filters and one set of brake pads for all these years.
Yeah, a lot of interesting stories...
Rgds
Ventz
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Post by Charles on Jan 29, 2011 10:23:30 GMT 2
Hi Ventz
I wish all nivas were looked after like that. Mine is a good example of how someone can ruin a car.
Charles
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Post by butasteve on Jan 29, 2011 12:49:10 GMT 2
Ventz, thanks. Driving @ 60 km/h The revs runs @ 2000 rpm in 4th gear. Looks as if the G/B was changed to the 4-speed one and the marking of 5th gear scratched off. Looks like gearing is 33.3 rpm / km. What is the better option: 4/5-speed G/B?
I'm at peace that I've been miss-informed by the Dealer. I've send him an e-mail.
I need the handle to open the backdoor and a cap for the Cooling expansion Bottle. Wood also like to have the hatch cover for the boot. The left hand catch to release the back seat also needed. Any info where I can get, will be appreciated.
Regards Stephen
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Post by Charles on Jan 29, 2011 13:08:50 GMT 2
Hi Stephen
On our home page under technical is all the manuals and catalogs. Download the parts catalog. Then you can look up all the parts you need. It is also much easyer to get prices if you have the correct part numbers.
Charles
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Post by spikes on Jan 29, 2011 13:51:51 GMT 2
Hi Stephen Glad you made peace with yourself and the Lada. If you suffer with restricted bandwidth to download the manuals (3 plus drivers handbook and the spares manual= 30+ Mb) I'll gladly stick them onto a CD and post to you PM postal address if you want them regrads Spikes
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Post by butasteve on Jan 29, 2011 14:33:07 GMT 2
Ventzel Attached a pic of the bolt-on fender where it screwed onto the attachment from the chassis. The bolts are visible next to the bullbar. Spikes I've downloaded the three part manual and catalog. Thanks for the offer. I'll browse the catalog for the reference. Regards Stephen
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