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Post by vincentc on Apr 13, 2011 19:16:25 GMT 2
Hello All I got around to getting the service parts for the Lada. I ended up getting a Fram filter as per the catalogues and found the FRAM to have a slightly different profile to the existing Gud filter. The OD and ID were very similar but found the Gud to have a thickness of 57mm. The Fram on the other hand had an overall thickness of 63mm. I recall reading a post by the Dalai Lada about filter concerns. Perhaps the true mechanics in the forum can offer their views. It also seems to me that the Fram will be a better fit and not have air gaps for dust to bypass the filter.
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Post by vincentc on Apr 13, 2011 19:17:15 GMT 2
Gud Filter
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Post by vincentc on Apr 13, 2011 19:19:11 GMT 2
The Fram is a CA 4354
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Post by Charles on Apr 13, 2011 19:24:00 GMT 2
Thanks
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Post by hotstuff on Apr 13, 2011 19:37:32 GMT 2
JUST TO CLARIFY IT IS AN AIR FILTER AND NOT A FULL DUST FILTER. FOR SAND DRIVING ETC IT IS ADVISED TO FIT A SAND FILTER OR THE CHEAP WAY A STOCKING OVER THE INTAKE. LOTS OF OFF ROAD GUYS DO THIS. I MYSELF AND FIND IT TO WORK VERY WELL. THE FRAM IS THE CORRECT FIT BUT DUE TO THE PLATE SOME TIMES WARPING ETC WHEN TIGHTENING THERE IS ALWAYS A SMALL GAP ETC. FIT RUBBER TAPE TO FILL GAPS IT WORKS WANDERS. The lada was built for snow not sandy south africa lol
Extract for preping Lada for Dakar
Air filter Ensure that the air filter seals properly. On dusty routes you can cover the air entry with a nylon stocking which should regularly have the dust removed. Engine ventilation • Replace the mechanical fan with an electric one. • Take out the old fan (keep it in the car in case of breakdown) • Take out the metal deflector and replace it with a plastic one and the electric berline (truck) fan. It is possible to fit two electric fans. In all cases, you must avoid taking off the radiator itself to limit cracks through vibrations.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 13, 2011 22:13:48 GMT 2
Hi Mike
If you want to avoid a lot of dust and sand in the filter housing simply fit a snorkel. At the same time no sand will pass the standard filter.
Ronnie
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Post by hotstuff on Apr 14, 2011 7:50:47 GMT 2
i do agree with you there just not many people have snorkels
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Post by Ventzel on Apr 15, 2011 0:59:08 GMT 2
Air filter GUD > AG715 Air filter FRAM > CA4354
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Post by Charles on Apr 15, 2011 10:07:16 GMT 2
Thanks Ventz
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Post by ronnie on Apr 15, 2011 14:06:16 GMT 2
Hi Ventz
Lada Centurion use a GUD AG380 air filter. There has been discussion regarding this particular filter some time ago, and after looking at the one in Vincent`s Niva I stick by my previous comments that this filter is totally unsuitable for the Niva, as it does not seal all round on the bottom of the filter casing.
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Post by Ventzel on Apr 15, 2011 21:10:33 GMT 2
AG380 is thin and flat. It does not seal at all and even a gap occur between the filter and the lid. Actually you don't have a filter.
AG715 / CA4354 has a lips as original factory one and it's a perfect match. The lid slightly press the lips and filter housing to ensure strong sealing.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 16, 2011 9:03:03 GMT 2
HI Ventz
You are confirming what I have been saying for a long time the AG380 is unsuitable as a replacment for the original russian air filter. Anyone who has had their Niva serviced at Lada Centurion should take heed and check the filter to avoid wear to the engine due to unfiltered air.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Apr 16, 2011 12:39:06 GMT 2
I checked this morning and I have a CA4354 fitted. Guys also makes sure the clips on the sides is nice and tight.
Charles
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Post by ronnie on Apr 16, 2011 14:21:22 GMT 2
Hi Charles
After looking at Vincents Filter I agree that the correct filter is a CA 4354. Anyone using an AG380 should change it as they will have unfiltered air passing through to the motor. It would appear to be common for the AG380 to be fitted as Vincent`s Niva also had one when he bought it.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Apr 16, 2011 16:54:36 GMT 2
If the niva had more space, or even with the sparewheel removed I would like to fit an adapter on the carb and run a donaldson type filter. Its much bigger.
Charles
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Post by vincentc on Apr 16, 2011 17:57:46 GMT 2
AG380 is thin and flat. It does not seal at all and even a gap occur between the filter and the lid. Actually you don't have a filter. AG715 / CA4354 has a lips as original factory one and it's a perfect match. The lid slightly press the lips and filter housing to ensure strong sealing. V,. Trust the Ventz :-) Ventzel, which oil filter is closest to factory specification?
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Post by vincentc on Apr 16, 2011 18:00:14 GMT 2
@ The moderators. Perhaps important service information like air filter part numbers etc can be put onto a "service data" thread. This makes newbies able to access the information easier.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 16, 2011 18:07:39 GMT 2
HI Vincent
The Z 87 is the equivalent of the original according to Ventz
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Apr 16, 2011 18:16:39 GMT 2
Hi Vincent
Look under technical, spare parts and mods, and you will find all this information. The only problem here is you will find the 3 different oil filters listed. There could also be other wrong part numbers like the AG 380 air filter which I have never liked for the reasons given by ventz.
Ronnie
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Post by vincentc on Apr 16, 2011 20:17:39 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
At least you now have the correct air filter part numbers :-)
I will do some investigation on suitable high dirt capacity filters for the Lada.
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Post by marius on Jul 21, 2011 10:02:37 GMT 2
>>You may have missed Ventz`s post on the AG380 where he confirmed that it was not suitable for the Niva due to not sealing properly. If you look at it it has a hard top and bottom, which requires a rubber gasket to allow it to seal properly. You will see the difference when you buy the other one. The AG380 may be one of the reasons why so many Niva`s have their engine rebuilt at low mileages. (mine included). << No I did not Ronnie. We had this discussion already but the filter in our Niva is definitely not loose in any way. I could not detect any of the symptoms you described and there was no movement on the filter when I tried to push it either left or right. No up and down movement either. No rattles and no light streaks detected. The shiny bits you pointed out from the pic on the inside of my housing are not scuff marks caused by the filter - but light bouncing back from the flash. I will most certainly have a look at the 4354 filter to see if it is a better fit in my housing. I suspect that there are some small differences in the housing that can cause these discrepancies? Marius
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Post by ronnie on Jul 21, 2011 10:48:07 GMT 2
H Marius
The big difference on the 2 filters is the size and the 4354 has a raised soft rib both top and bottom which makes it suitable for sealing on a hard surface. The other filter requires a separate rubber seal to be able to seal properly. (in my opinion). As you said the best way is to compare them at the spares shop.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Jul 21, 2011 13:05:42 GMT 2
I wonder why they never fitted a Donaldson type filter to the Nivas?
Charles
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Post by ronnie on Jul 21, 2011 13:46:00 GMT 2
Hi Charles That is a very easy question to answer in one word. COST. It is the same as the quarter light windows, deleted to cut costs. Ronnie
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Post by Ventzel on Jul 21, 2011 19:41:38 GMT 2
Every time I found AG380 I found dust in the housing not only outside but inside as well. If somebody still not believe - please visit Web sites of GUD and FRAM. Niva is listed there. If somebody again does not believe - I've got 1 or 2 original factory filters - he is welcome to compare them.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 21, 2011 20:10:56 GMT 2
Hi Ventz
Lada Centurion fit the AG380. Unfortunatly you cannot get a full seal when you put a hard sided filter into a housing which does not have rubber seals on the base and the lid.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Dec 8, 2011 16:29:17 GMT 2
Hi all
Serviced the car today and fitted the AG715 air filter and if my memory serves me right it is exactly the same (in terms of measurements) as the factory standard filter - even the lip is the same - so yes this would indeed be the best air filter to use.
CoopersFIAAM has a suitable oil filter for the Niva. The FT4512 I got is the equivalent of the Z123 and is manufactured in the EU. Much cheaper than the GUD equivalent and its black! I am sure they should have equivalents for the Z96/87 filters.
Marius
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Post by ladanivabelgium on Dec 8, 2011 20:17:32 GMT 2
my niva diesel has a foam filter soaked in engine oil. Not one particle of dust gets trough there
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Post by danie on Dec 8, 2011 20:44:27 GMT 2
Hi Jan
Are the foam filters standard on the diesel engines, or is it a modification ?
Danie
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Post by ladanivabelgium on Dec 8, 2011 20:51:29 GMT 2
Danie, they are standard on the 1.9d, the later 1.9td has a paper filter. I like the foam filter a lot more. It is a bit of work to prepare it (soak it in oil, let it drain for 30min and then it can be put in the housing. The housing gets a mess to, on the ouiter side of the filter. But inside the filter, as clean as brand new, even after several 10 000 km
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