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Post by dimitris on Dec 30, 2011 12:08:42 GMT 2
Hi Keith I would also remove the panels ( "rust traps ") behind the front wheels as well . If you have not removed the dust which usually get stuck there before, you will now find that the dust has become mud, and it will take quite a while before all the moist will disappear. Danie ....... a solution to prevent rust there, is to open one or two holes 8mm on the bottom, to be able to pour out the water and the mud, and every 2-3 years,must open and clean it and then spray cavity wax.... i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l485/dim9223/IMG_1123.jpg
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Post by keithbatkins on Dec 30, 2011 19:23:44 GMT 2
Thanks again guys for the help. Will check the front 'rust traps' tomorrow. I have stripped out all of the mating and soundproofing as the smell was.....'interesting'. Any suggestions as to what to replace the floor coverings with ? I guess that it should be a combination of durability and sound deadening material ? Apart from that ' smell problem' all seems to be going well with the recovery. Fingers crossed that there is nothing 'lurking' in the mechanics which will come back to bite me at a later stage :-) Regards to all at LOCSA. Keith and a 'nearly naked' CERATOTH
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Post by keithbatkins on Jan 1, 2012 20:21:00 GMT 2
Happy New Year to all at LOCSA. Spent New Years day calming down the cats after last night's fireworks parties and a huge thunderstorm. One of the 'joys' of living in the Highveld in summer. Also completed the strip out of CERATOTH. All fluids changed or going to be changed. Interesting that the radiator fluid expansion tank was full ! Now comes the interesting part....what do I replace the carpets/underfelt with ? The existing, although now dry really smell bad. They can however still be used to as templates to cut new....but from what ? Options. Don't mess about and just buy new sets from Pavel ? Use normal thick carpet undelay and refit on top with flotex carpet or similar ? Still use underlay but lay 'bakkie style' rubber mating cut to shape on top. Don't bother with underlay and carpets and perhaps coat everything in the rubber compound used in the load bays of bakkies ? Any thoughts Guys ? Regards to all, Keith and CERATOTH.
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Post by keithbatkins on Jan 1, 2012 20:26:06 GMT 2
Just a couple more photographs of the strip out. Regards to all, Keith and CERATOTH
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Post by keithbatkins on Jan 1, 2012 20:28:13 GMT 2
That's all folks. Keith and CERATOTH
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Post by spikes on Jan 2, 2012 6:40:34 GMT 2
Hi Keith, you get proper automotive heat resistant, sound proofing material. some even comes with adhesive under a peel off backing. there is write up on Baxters about it. your favourite spares dealer(midas or autozone) should be able to help. Then over that I would put original rubber mats from Pavel or Gabor. best wishes for 2012 and good luck with refurbishing the interior Spikes
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Post by ladanivabelgium on Jan 2, 2012 6:56:01 GMT 2
Keith, i see in the last picture that thye protective plate on the fuel tank is still in place. Please don't forget to take that away, as wel as the fuel tank
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Post by keithbatkins on Jan 2, 2012 9:24:43 GMT 2
Thanks for that LadaNiva. I had already taken them out, dried them off and put them back as I needed the petrol to check out the running of the engine...plus clumsy oaf that I am I didn't want to put my knee through the tank whilst stripping out other parts :-) Regards, Keith and CERATOTH.
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Post by Nikki Lada on Jan 3, 2012 6:53:14 GMT 2
Gee, Keith, this is quite a story but it's good to hear that everything is coming right. NIKKI
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Post by keithbatkins on Jan 3, 2012 19:23:57 GMT 2
Good Evening Guys. Spent some more time today on sorting/drying things out. Spikes; what you suggest is just great for me as the original rubber mats which came with CERATOTH are still in really good condition....only now after a good soak they are a lot cleaner What I am having difficulty with though is getting hold of the underlay you describe Tried local Autozones and Midas who know what I am taking about....and that makes a change....but they don't carry the underlay and have no idea where I can get it from I shall be trawling through the yellow pages this evening (nothing much on TV so might as well) and will start hitting the 'phones tomorrow. It doesn't help with the Holiday Season still being in full swing. If any other LOCSA members can suggest a supplier in, preferably, the Gauteng area please let me know. A bottle of Champagne (honestly) to whoever leads me to the underlay ;D Regards to all at LOCSA. Keith and CERATOTH
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Post by marius on Jan 3, 2012 19:44:27 GMT 2
Hi Keith Those rubber mats are perfect for worst case scenarios like you just had. I would never get rid of them - a breeze to clean when things get ugly If it's real Champagne then you're on! ;D Marius
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Post by Charles on Jan 3, 2012 19:59:38 GMT 2
Keith get Dynamat from a place like Autostyle. Then some carpet underfelt over that if you wish.
Charles
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Post by marius on Jan 3, 2012 21:10:51 GMT 2
Keith the other option is to order originals from Pavel or Gabor if you are prepared to wait a while, but I guess that doesn't qualify for the Champers! ;D
Marius
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Post by keithbatkins on Jan 4, 2012 6:14:20 GMT 2
Thanks again Guys. I will try and find an Autostyle shop later today Charles. Nothing listed in our local telephone directory Yes Marius it is 'real champagne' as in 'from France' There is a company in the UK called Automobile Trimmings based in Stanmore, who sell everything which I need and they will export to SA but the shipping cost will be horrendous. I just cannot believe how difficult getting this stuff is turning out to be. We make/assemble cars in many places in SA. Surely there are companies which manufacture this vehicle carpet underlay by the kilometer or is it all 'made in China' and just imported directly to the car plants ? Will keep on trying though and if all else fails I will just have to import from one country or another. Regards and best wishes, Keith and CERATOTH.
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Post by spikes on Jan 4, 2012 6:23:50 GMT 2
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Post by Nikki Lada on Jan 4, 2012 7:26:35 GMT 2
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Post by ronnie on Jan 4, 2012 7:28:48 GMT 2
Hi Keith
I simply used 2 layers of carpet underfelt with carpet on top. I then use the original rubber mat on top.
Ronnie
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Post by keithbatkins on Jan 4, 2012 9:27:13 GMT 2
Thanks so much again Guys. I've tried to contact most of the suppliers mentioned in your posts plus a couple from Yellow Pages. Apart from Autostyle, who only do Dynamat, everybody seems to still be on holiday. I'm going to stop fretting,leave things until next week, finish painting the outside of house (nice shade of terracotta) and then start phoning again. If all comes to 'naught' I shall then go the Dynamat,covered with ordinary carpet underlay,covered with autocarpet and with the rubber mats on top route. Question.....should I glue the various layers (apart from the rubber mats :-)) together before I fit them ? Regards to all at LOCSA, Keith and CERATOTH.
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Post by spikes on Jan 4, 2012 10:02:29 GMT 2
Hi Keith Before you buy anything, have a look at the Dynamat. It is a very effective product and has excellent heat insulation properties as well. I would NOT glue layers of carpet and underlay together. Regards Spikes
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Post by keithbatkins on Jan 4, 2012 12:24:02 GMT 2
Thanks for that Spike. If I use Dynamat; do you think that I would still need to use the carpet underlay ? Regards and "thanks again". Keith and CERATOTH
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Post by spikes on Jan 4, 2012 13:06:46 GMT 2
Hi No, I would just use the original rubber mats Regards Spikes
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Post by ronnie on Jan 4, 2012 21:24:33 GMT 2
Hi Keith
the underfelt needs to be glued at various points, otherwise it will move with your feet. It should be glued down the side of the transmission tunnel and where it rises up to the bulkhead. If you fit carpet it should be wide enough to go from side to side with no joins, except where it needs to be cut at the front of the tunnel as it rises to the bulkhead. At the door sill sides you hold everything in place with the plastic trim which is held in place with screws. If I can prise vincent out of the Niva tomorrow I will take a photo of where the join will be. I used car carpeting from (something) Plastics in Jeepe sy Jhb. On the next corner down from Jeppe police station. The proper carpet is very wide and is not expensive. I used black but it is not practical as it shows every bit of dirt. Rather use a grey colour. (It may have been Success Plastics)
Ronnie
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Post by Ladaniva on Jan 4, 2012 23:48:10 GMT 2
Hi Keith,
Different strokes for different folks!
I also cleaned out the Niva a few times after going through (muddy and dirty) water. I then took the shortcut and closed all the drain holes in the Niva that I could find in the lower parts inside of the cab. (I actualy removed the rubber plugs too). I then cleaned the areas properly where I removed the covering (including some hard plastic in the front-foot wells). I painted everything then with Plascon Bakkie and trailer coating. When I say everything I MEAN everything that may ever get wet inside after going through water again. I did not put any carpet or covering back and now also know nothing will ever rust inside.
I think you should by now ask: how I will clean the inside when the inside fill up with mud and water again? Right? A lot easier and faster than anybody that has any type of mat or covering inside! I will just scoop the dirty water and mud out, put more clean water in, scoop it out again, go home and use my trusty R300.00 vacuum cleaner to properly clean the Niva inside. O ja, I will use the hosepipe to put a few galons of clean water in the Niva cabin and suck it out with my 10 year old vacuum cleaner again. I will of course not even think twice (no not once actually) about rot and smells etc.
Something I thought of while typing is that I doubt if a rubber mat will move around under your feet if you covered the inside with Plascon bakkie and Trailer Coating - the stuff is very rough and not smooth or slippery at all.
This is how I did it and it worked for me; you of course do what suits you! Just an idea.
Regards,
Fanus
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Post by keithbatkins on Jan 6, 2012 13:18:00 GMT 2
Thanks for that Fanus. What you have done was one of my early options and given the problems I am having re underlay is one that I am now seriously considering doing on CERATOTH. What really 'saved me from insanity' was the wet and dry vacuum cleaner. I would never have done the strip/dry out without it. Regards, Keith and CERATOTH
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Post by spikes on Jan 6, 2012 13:47:07 GMT 2
Hi Keith The rubberising route has imho, one(maybe two ) drawbacks. Noise and heat. Think series 1 & 2 Land Rover. With Dynamat you do not need anything more than the rubber mats you have But as Fanuis said "Different strokes for different folks!" Spikes
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Post by marius on Jan 6, 2012 16:52:28 GMT 2
I agree with Spikes. Fitted as standard noise is already an issue. Many moons ago I fitted a thin rubber mat over the tunnel which helped to lower the noise level somewhat.
Marius
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Post by ronnie on Jan 6, 2012 17:17:06 GMT 2
Hi Marius
When I fitted the 2 layers of under-felt and carpet, with the rubber mats the difference in noise levels means you can listen to the radio at low volumes. The problem with under-felt is the smell if it gets very wet.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Jan 6, 2012 17:45:13 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
I can imagine that your option would make a huge difference. Unlike most I do like the practical idea behind the original rubber mats. Very easy to clean and dry. I once busted a whole bottle of red wine in the car and that convinced me to stick with the original. ;D
On the plus side - the car smelled like good wine for some time! ;D ;D ;D Marius
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Post by spikes on Jan 6, 2012 19:10:16 GMT 2
Ronnie wrote"The problem with under-felt is the smell if it gets very wet." Which is why I would not consider fitting underfelt to Bongol. Just the factory sound proofing (which is pretty water resistant) and the std rubber mats which cannot and will not move as they have large "ears" that hook underneath and behind the seat rails Spikes
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Post by marius on Jan 6, 2012 20:01:01 GMT 2
Perhaps the problem with the "moving mats" is exactly because of the layers of underfelt and carpet preventing those "ears" from hooking properly under the rails? I never had that problem with the standard fittings.
Marius
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