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Post by marius on Oct 16, 2011 8:47:38 GMT 2
R2600 against R300 makes no sense to me at all, but unfortunately it seems to be common practice. Perhaps the problem lies with the markup. "Mmmm, let see. What should the markup be? R260, ok well that's easy, just add another zero!" Marius
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Post by vincentc on Oct 16, 2011 11:36:00 GMT 2
Thanks for mentioning the local quote on the oil pump. I know that most visitors of this Website might get highly irritated about the fact that I often mention Pavel's name at the Forum - but he local Suppliers clearly do not listen ! So Pavel's name is going to be mentioned a lot more in future - right here at the Forum ! Regards Danie Have no fear Danie. Pavel Rocks!!! A few of the local suppliers import parts for their own consumption and make these available to assist us. Unlike other vehicle customers, we are able to decide to accept the component at the price offered, or we can use Pavel. WE HAVE CHOICE !!!! As we find othe reasonable suppliers who, like Pavel offer great pricing and service, they too will be mentioned on the forum. Unlike other forums, this Forum is owned by LOCSA, NOT the spares supplier ;D Regards Vincent
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Post by ronnie on Oct 16, 2011 19:30:00 GMT 2
Hi Marius
When I read about prices like this it can only be described as criminal. Anyone quoting prices like that should be named on the Forum so we can all make sure no one supports them.
Ronnie
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Post by danie on Oct 16, 2011 20:14:34 GMT 2
I don't think it's Chris Swales - they quoted R533.69 less 10% = R480.32 about three months ago.
I've still got Chris Swale's quote in my wallet.
Danie
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Post by fangsingh on Oct 16, 2011 23:06:59 GMT 2
Sorry guys, BIG mistake -_- ... I wasn't quoted R2600, I was quoted R1600... my apologise...
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Post by Nikki Lada on Oct 16, 2011 23:22:38 GMT 2
It's an improvement, Fansingh, but still exorbitant compared to the $38 Danie paid for his and the price quoted by Chris Swales! NIKKI
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Post by danie on Oct 17, 2011 6:18:55 GMT 2
Well, R1600.00 is still way overpriced.
I am simply not prepared to finance any body's wealthy lifestyle, cosy working conditions, or nice holidays trips.
Danie
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Post by ronnie on Oct 17, 2011 9:01:01 GMT 2
Hi Danie
R2600 / R1600 it is still one big rip off. I would still like to know who is quoting this price.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Oct 17, 2011 17:04:55 GMT 2
Hi guys and gals I think Vincent has a very valid point in that we at least have a choice in who we want to support at any given time. We all have the right to complain about overpricing but the supplier also has the right to charge whatever price for his product even if we consider it as unfair practice. We can most certainly rant and rave, but there is no need to point fingers, we can just order from the supplier that gives us a better price Marius
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Post by vincentc on Oct 17, 2011 19:18:00 GMT 2
Another consideration is TIME to get the spares.
The part on the shelf available NOW is worth more than the one at a fraction of the price half a world away.
We have the options of being able to choose.
Regards Vincent
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Post by danie on Oct 17, 2011 19:45:20 GMT 2
We can most certainly rant and rave, but there is no need to point fingers, we can just order from the supplier that gives us a better price Marius Hi Marius I agree with Ronnie - To my mind all members are entitled to know who are quoting these insane prices. Some of our members often do not blink an eye in referring new members to "Mr(s) X" - without knowing that this particular supplier could most probably be the very one who charge these rip off prices ! Potential buyers could easily get the impression that "Mr(s) X" - who might have been recommended at this Forum, would not be the guilty party concerned - and then buy a Lada ! I have a horrible feeling that we are very guilty of misleading the public out there, should we be turning a blind eye to this issue ! Danie
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Post by marius on Oct 17, 2011 20:44:22 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I feel we had this discussion many times before and all we were able to establish is that the supplier can charge whatever he wants and the consumer can choose from whom he wants to buy.
The fact remains that we as Niva owners in South Africa do get ripped off in many cases by ALL the local spare part suppliers and I think that most of us (if not all) are very much aware of this sad and unfortunate situation.
We should rather take heart of the fact that we have alternative sources if the need arise. Competition and choice is ALWAYS a good thing and I think that this alone will eventually force some changes in the way our local suppliers do business.
I sincerely believe that if we are going to point fingers at certain individuals we are only going to harm ourselves in the long run.
Marius
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Post by Ventzel on Oct 17, 2011 22:19:08 GMT 2
Ha, ha, very funny....
Who do you think you are - some kind of Lada majesty with all suppliers - your slaves?? And all of them desire to serve you till death?? Believe me - nobody wants to see you or to hear of you.
Also be sure, nobody even wish to touch your poor car which is striped in pieces for at least 3-4 years and has no future chances to get back on the road due to all cheap replacements, junk and strange modifications. This is not more Lada Niva it's Lada Scarecrow. When your car was long time ago for service and repairs at my workshop I did everything possible to keep it daily on the road although the previous owners were real terminators. Now what happened - in your capable hands?? - she is dead! RIP!
And you think you have something left to rip off from you - that's a real joke. You always insisted to get everything for nothing - parts and know-how, all must be made as a present, for free. And if not - your hate is beyond any limits - numerous slanders, irony, sarcasm, attempts to ruin their reputation.
How many times you called me con artist despite we never met and we never dealt?? Every day I sell parts and give advises to normal people, who surprisingly don't think I'm some kind of artist. At least half of the Ladas on South African roads are still rolling due to my efforts, where the hell is your valuable contribution?
You are blacklisted, that's a fact; try to approach some of your friendly suppliers and wait for "friendly" response. I understand this fact make you extremely angry but look at yourself - you started this war, perhaps you don't have anything else useful to do; I don't know, it's your business. The forum is free and every forum has somebody like you - splashing black paint. But don't you see you are the lonely warrior? The warrior mad for publicity, acknowledgment and admiration. OK - do something positive and probably you will get some... who knows.
V.
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Post by Ladaniva on Oct 18, 2011 0:40:49 GMT 2
Hi Ventz,
He, he, you really ripped into old Danie! That is what I like about family - you can really tear into each other and still stay friends! I think you understand Danie the wrong way around - he appreciates you and what you do and think you are a professional and for that reason can take criticism (like a champion boxer - do not cry if you get hit; just hurt the opponent by being a better boxer than him. Getting angry does not help then. Afterward - a tooth or two less of course, you smile, not at all angry toward the opponent).
Dimitri:
Goodness! You are an ingenious man with very good friends! I am very impressed with your Lada. Thank you for the good advice and your willingness to share information.
I agree with your advice to Danie regarding the fuel injection for the Niva/Fiat. It is not at all expensive to convert to single point fuel injection if you use (some) Niva parts. A double overhead cam, cross flow motor begs fuel injection! The throttle body of the Niva is exactly the same as the one fitted to the Opel Kadet T car (maybe hundreds of thousands sold in Europe). In South Africa you can buy a suitable programmable ECU brand new for R2100.00 - I know because my turbo charged Niva had one on. My multi-point fuel injection - OEM Niva parts (with supercharger not OEM) will use the very same ECU. If that is not a bargain I do not know. Another big advantage of fuel injection nowadays is that the average tuner can tune your car and afterward it stay tuned - the sensors tune the car!
Danie:
Your Niva with a Weber will go anywhere where other 4 x 4 belonging mostly to the bank will go. End van die prent. Sani pass is 'n walk in the park for any well maintained real 4 x 4 if it is dry (All real 4 x 4 's has low range) and real off-road tyres (assume driver not drunk). To storm" an incline when it is wet on a pass is insane. A Niva is a real 4 x 4. Full stop.
Please note that I am not critical of a carburettor. Trappe van vergelyking: Good, better, best or carburettor, single point fuel injection, multipoint fuel injection. My view, for what it is worth.
Regards,
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Post by Ladaniva on Oct 18, 2011 1:16:25 GMT 2
Hi Marius, I can not agree more with you; we should not point fingers to the agents. They render a service which we all seriously need. I also agree with Danie on one point; point out the rip of artist. I am more than willing to pay a healthy premium if I can have a part when I require it. If I have time I shop around. Trust is extremely important in business but unfortunately some dealers exploit that. Once you realised that you were taken for a ride you will search for somebody else you can trust. I trust Ventz and Mike. I also need them and will look after them. If I think they charge too much (for something) I will tell them. This is the way to support and develop dealers if they are honorable. The most precious human attribute in business is pride. If I find a dealer that can be trusted and has pride I will stick with him, even if he makes a mistake or two (or has a short fuse) . Regards, Fanus
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Post by danie on Oct 18, 2011 6:10:08 GMT 2
Ha, ha, very funny.... Who do you think you are - some kind of Lada majesty with all suppliers - your slaves?? And all of them desire to serve you till death?? Believe me - nobody wants to see you or to hear of you. Also be sure, nobody even wish to touch your poor car which is striped in pieces for at least 3-4 years and has no future chances to get back on the road due to all cheap replacements, junk and strange modifications. This is not more Lada Niva it's Lada Scarecrow. When your car was long time ago for service and repairs at my workshop I did everything possible to keep it daily on the road although the previous owners were real terminators. Now what happened - in your capable hands?? - she is dead! RIP! And you think you have something left to rip off from you - that's a real joke. You always insisted to get everything for nothing - parts and know-how, all must be made as a present, for free. And if not - your hate is beyond any limits - numerous slanders, irony, sarcasm, attempts to ruin their reputation. How many times you called me con artist despite we never met and we never dealt?? Every day I sell parts and give advises to normal people, who surprisingly don't think I'm some kind of artist. At least half of the Ladas on South African roads are still rolling due to my efforts, where the hell is your valuable contribution? You are blacklisted, that's a fact; try to approach some of your friendly suppliers and wait for "friendly" response. I understand this fact make you extremely angry but look at yourself - you started this war, perhaps you don't have anything else useful to do; I don't know, it's your business. The forum is free and every forum has somebody like you - splashing black paint. But don't you see you are the lonely warrior? The warrior mad for publicity, acknowledgment and admiration. OK - do something positive and probably you will get some... who knows. V. Hi Ventz Thanks your comments ! ;D ;D ;D You are indeed an amazing caracter - and to my mind you are clearly misusing this website for your own personal financial gain! To my mind you have tried your best to fool our members - by openly telling them how "difficult" it actually is to import their own spare part . What a blatant lie ! Many owners now started importing their own parts - and believe me even more will start importing there own parts in future. ;D Believe me , I really do not mind to be "blacklisted" ! . Slowly but surely every single Supplier who are charging these insane prices are getting "blacklisted" as well . ;D ;D Anyway - I already realized that you are a lot more expensive than Chris Swales long ago- so I will never recommend you or buy anything from you during my lifetime ! To conclude - in the past you have clearly indicated that you are "not poor" - and that you "even have investments in Asia". You also indicated that you often visit Europe and elsewhere - so my guess is that by buying your highly inflated parts from you, our local Lada owners are directly contributing to your wealth - and regular holiday trips ! Anyway, I guess this post will be removed - while your post will be safe - so it does not make sense to me to pass any fur her comments ! Have a good day Sir - you have made my day ! ;D Danie P.S. Oh - no "hate" from my side Sir, - something needs to be done about the unacceptable local spare part prices, I am just giving it a good shot !
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Post by marius on Oct 18, 2011 7:15:25 GMT 2
Hi Danie
It is clear from your post(s) that you are deliberately trying to put oil on the fire. There is no need to make things personal. I would rather have you concentrate on far more pressing things (like Autozone) than making such ludicrous remarks on this forum.
Marius
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Post by hotstuff on Oct 18, 2011 8:44:57 GMT 2
Now chaps there is no need for this type of war fare or what ever it may be.
Just to let everyone know I am busy with LADA UNION in trying to get our parts to South Africa at the best price possible. I AM officially now there trader for SA and neighbouring countries. This is not to block people from ordering where ever they wish but is a business deal to get the parts in at below list price online for the consumer. I hope that in time we all are happy and that we all love and support each other. No matter what direction we take. Try not to make things personal but work things out as a group and find the best solution for all. Things just seem to get a bit over done sometimes and words are not easily taken back if brought out the wrong way.
PEACE TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOOD DAY. Regards Mike
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Post by ronnie on Oct 18, 2011 8:45:31 GMT 2
Hi All
A week or so ago I was thinking the Forum was a bit quiet. Wow, now it seems to have come alive again. I am going out to do some shopping so I will add my twopence worth when I return. ;D
Ronnie
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Post by spikes on Oct 18, 2011 9:44:59 GMT 2
Hi Marius/Ronnie
Please can the mud slinging contest be moved to another thread than "Members Photo Gallery"?
It is creating a bad impression to visitors perhaps looking for NIVA pictures or an update on Dimitri's project
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Post by jaco1978 on Oct 18, 2011 10:11:53 GMT 2
I second that Spikes.
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Post by Ladaniva on Oct 18, 2011 12:11:57 GMT 2
Hi Mike, I love what you said about making spares available in SA. That will really put an end to all the efforts to save a buck here and there and bickering about being ripped off! As if we are not ripped off by the established agents for other brands for years (and franchises) buying millions of rands of spares at a time. It just do not feel like it, but the agents are ripping us off and they keep on selling more and more cars. You are the man! Danie, you are right to fight for competitive prices, and it is appreciated, but hi man, they sell lekka nice chill pills nowadays at the pharmacy for dirt cheap (try St Johns Wort first - it is a natural product and make you appreciate even a bike ride more)! I attached something for Ventz and Danie. You guys must learn that not one of you two may be around next week. If any one of your two fall away that is what will be remembered by the forum - the fight, not the good work both you guys did. Remember you guys are making history here and it is always the high trees that gets the most wind. So do not spoil it for us all. We are really enjoying our Ladas and the community we are building (we now even have guys like Dimitris and Spike etc. here)! YOU GUYS SHOULD REALLY BE PRIDE OF THAT. Regards, Fanus Attachments:
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Post by ronnie on Oct 18, 2011 12:28:32 GMT 2
Hi Spikes and Jaco
I hope I have moved all the posts as they were in more than one thread, which means I needed to find them. ;D
Ronnie
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Post by spikes on Oct 18, 2011 13:05:36 GMT 2
Thanks Ronnie! Spikes
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Post by jaco1978 on Oct 18, 2011 15:25:36 GMT 2
T'nx Ronnie.
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Post by ronnie on Oct 18, 2011 17:18:51 GMT 2
Hi All
After reading all the replies, I have to agree with Vincent and Jaco we all have the choice to buy where we want to. It is also nice to know who is charging the high prices so at least we know who to watch when we are in a hurry and need to buy local. The person charging the high prices one time may not be the highest on another occasion. As a group of people we should also remain friends for the good of the Niva, as I am sure we all have the little beast`s best interests at heart.
Ronnie
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Post by danie on Oct 18, 2011 20:15:32 GMT 2
Danie, you are right to fight for competitive prices, and it is appreciated, but hi man, they sell lekka nice chill pills nowadays at the pharmacy for dirt cheap (try St Johns Wort first - it is a natural product and make you appreciate even a bike ride more)! I attached something for Ventz and Danie. You guys must learn that not one of you two may be around next week. If any one of your two fall away that is what will be remembered by the forum - the fight, not the good work both you guys did. Remember you guys are making history here and it is always the high trees that gets the most wind. So do not spoil it for us all. We are really enjoying our Ladas and the community we are building (we now even have guys like Dimitris and Spike etc. here)! YOU GUYS SHOULD REALLY BE PRIDE OF THAT. Regards, Fanus Hi Fanus Chill pills are not needed - Ventz and myself are big boys and we do know how to handle a "survival game" . ;D Regards Danie
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Post by Des on Oct 19, 2011 7:30:34 GMT 2
Danie This forum is NOT for your personal vendetta! I find your comments and and avitar offensive and not conducive to the positive growth of this forum. To be quite frank, I am surprised that it hasn't been removed by the Moderator. Please stop behaving like your avitar. Des
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Post by spikes on Oct 19, 2011 10:02:35 GMT 2
Hi all I find it extremely saddening to read that members are contemplating to leave the forum AND SELL their NIVAs as a result of disparaging remarks made on the forum.
My dealings with Ventz is out of own choice and circumstances. I have always found him honest and willing to help with free advice on inquiry.
I do hope good sense will prevail and put a stop to the war of words where only LOCSA and our NIVAs will be the losers in the end.
Regards
Spikes
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Post by ronnie on Oct 19, 2011 10:29:42 GMT 2
Hi Spikes
I am 100% in agreement with your post.
Ronnie
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