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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 20, 2011 7:52:47 GMT 2
Hi Guys I mentioned earlier that I had a couple of queries concerning another potential problem, that may or may not be related to the starter issue, and would appreciate any thoughts you may have. - The day before the starter jammed I drove 2kms into town and somehow managed to stall the car when parking causing it to lurch forward. This is not something I normally do!
- A couple of hours later it started alright but seemed a bit rough.
- Driving home I noticed an unfamiliar noise but couldn’t tell where it was coming from.
- The following day, when I went to have another look, the car wouldn’t start, all I heard was a click and you know the rest of the story
What’s bothering me a bit is the noise I heard. Initially, I put it down to the starter but after reading Lada 1.7 Engine Rebuild (Poor Client) I started thinking about the timing chain. I know it will be difficult on the information available but any thoughts with regard to this noise would be appreciated. I’m trying to avoid the situation where I get the starter fixed only to find that I have another problem and need to order more parts. Thanks a stack
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Post by marius on Feb 20, 2011 8:13:18 GMT 2
Hi Niki
I was told that if the car/engine sounds like a diesel it is the timing chain. More often than not it is the bolt keeping the tensioner shoe that brakes off.
If the car engine is running rough - it could well be that the carb needs a bit of carb cleaner.
Regards Marius
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Post by danie on Feb 20, 2011 9:32:17 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
If the Lada was mine, I would remove the tappet cover and make 100% sure that the timing mark at the Camshaft shaft pulley, the timing mark at the Crankshaft pulley, and the rotor at the Distributer still line up correctly. (The rotor should face the No 1 Spark plug cable at the Distributor cap when the Camshaft and Crankshaft pulleys have been lined up correctly).
One never knows - maybe the Timing chain has jumped a tooth or two, and I think you need to make 100% sure that this is not the case.
If you do not know anybody who can help you in this regard, I am sure any qualified mechanic would be more than capable of inspecting the timing marks - a copy of the drawing which shows the timing mark line up at the Camshaft pulley should be very helpful to any good mechanic.
Danie
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Post by ronnie on Feb 20, 2011 9:32:38 GMT 2
Hi Marius and Nikki
Marius, if there was a problem with the bolt for the tensioner, would it cause any damage if you tried to retention the chain ?. The second question, why does the bolt break ?,as the most common thing to break a bolt is it was slack.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Feb 20, 2011 9:48:23 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
On the first question I am not 100% sure - but my thinking would be not to attempt it.
I am also not 100% sure on the second question - however it is a common issue and I think it is due to neglect - failing to adjust the chain every 10 000kms.
Regards Marius
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Post by Charles on Feb 20, 2011 10:01:58 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
My 2c worth.
The noise you heard while driving was most likely the starter running with the engine. sometimes the bendix doesn't dissengage properly and that destroys the starter. smell the old starter. Does it smell like something that burnt?
Also make sure you dont have alot of keys on your ignition key. That quickly destroys a ignition and that can also cause the starter to run with the engine destroying the starter.
Charles
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 21, 2011 21:49:58 GMT 2
Thanks for the feedback guys – I really appreciate it! ;D
The timing chain could mean trouble so I’m really hoping that Charles is right about the noise being caused by the starter. However, I will get the chain checked for my peace of mind - thanks for all the info Danie.
I've got a few queries about the timing chain but I'll raise these under the appropriate thread when I've put them together.
Charles - regarding the burning smell you referred to, it's now approx. four months since the starter jammed so there's no sign of any.
Thanks again!
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Post by Charles on Feb 21, 2011 21:58:25 GMT 2
Did you strip the old starter?
Charles
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 22, 2011 6:37:34 GMT 2
Hi Charles
The Auto Electrician opened up the starter and I now have all the bits and pieces - why do you ask?
Thanks for the info regarding the keys - I forgot to mention this yesterday.
Regards
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Post by Charles on Feb 22, 2011 10:02:19 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
Does anything looks melted? Like the wires or so.
Charles
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 23, 2011 21:11:01 GMT 2
Hi Charles
I had a look at the starter but didn't see anything that looked melted. The armature doesn't look too good, as I've mentioned previously, but that's the only thing I can see.
Regards
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Post by Charles on Feb 23, 2011 22:06:50 GMT 2
Ok. If possible post some pics please.
Charles
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 24, 2011 22:50:34 GMT 2
Hi Charles I've taken some photos as requested and I'll try to post these using the instructions that Marius gave to Ventz. As I don't really know what you are looking for I took three photos showing different areas of the starter. If it works, the first photo will show where it was cracked, the second the inside area where the brushes are and the third one the armature. Regards
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 24, 2011 22:57:15 GMT 2
The first one worked so I'll try the second one. Regards
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 24, 2011 23:01:16 GMT 2
The final one showing the armature. Regards
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 24, 2011 23:07:00 GMT 2
The third one showing the armature. Regards
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Post by marje46nuns on Mar 9, 2011 20:04:50 GMT 2
Hi Everyone
The famous starter has arrived, together with the heat shield and bolts and washers I ordered! Customs charges were also less than expected, as they seem to have miscalculated something, so it cost even less than anticipated! ;D ;D
Regards
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Mar 9, 2011 20:07:06 GMT 2
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sounds good to me, hope you get sorted now and can enjoy the Lada again.
Ari
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Post by spikes on Mar 9, 2011 20:09:17 GMT 2
Great news! No you can get the NIVA up and running again regards all Spikes
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Post by Charles on Mar 9, 2011 20:30:22 GMT 2
That is very good news.
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Post by danie on Mar 9, 2011 20:30:24 GMT 2
Hi Nikki If I remember correctly the starter left Russia on 9 February - which means it took about a full month before the starter arrived at your hometown. Considering the fact that you do find yourself some distance from one of the bigger airports, I think that's not bad at all . Regards Danie
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Post by marius on Mar 9, 2011 20:41:35 GMT 2
Hi Danie
Nikki mentioned yesterday in her birthday post that the starter arrived at Customs last Wednesday already.
Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Mar 9, 2011 21:52:24 GMT 2
Hi Nikki I hope you get your Niva up and running quickly Ronnie
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Post by danie on Mar 10, 2011 6:19:40 GMT 2
Hi Danie Nikki mentioned yesterday in her birthday post that the starter arrived at Customs last Wednesday already. Regards Marius Hi Marius Stupid question I guess - do smaller towns also have a "Customs" ? I always thought Customs are only located at the bigger cities i.e. cities where airports and harbours can be found. Danie
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Post by marius on Mar 10, 2011 7:30:24 GMT 2
Hi Danie
You are correct about customs - only at harbours and airports at the larger cities. I think the only reason why Nikki wasn't able to collect the starter earlier was because she is involved with some environmental issue.
Regards Marius
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Post by rainnedancer on Mar 10, 2011 11:33:30 GMT 2
Hi ... I am looking for some advise ... my car went in for a repair on the alternator which had packed up ... a month later my head gasket blew to which the "repairer" then responded I did not have a fan belt in my car - thats no bracket to hold the fan belt no fan belt nada!!! ... ("HHHHmmmmm I wonder how that could have happened!!!" ) ... the net result replace the engine ... the same supplier then got me a new engine did an extremely bad job putting it in ... connecting pipes all old and perished and and and ... so my vehicle continued to overheat ... I then took my vehicle to another workshop who could not repair as they do not know Lada.
I have now found someone who can work on the vehicle and has sorting out the bad fitting, converted to a Weber carb, replaced all bad piping and and and @ some R80 000.00+ and counting my engine is still overheating (yes that's the "replacement" engine) ... I don't know what is left to replace.
Any ideas?
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Post by marius on Mar 10, 2011 11:46:37 GMT 2
Hi Denise Warm welcome to the forum - very happy to have you here There are many members on this forum with great technical skills that will point you in the right direction. I don't really understand the issue with regard to the fan belt - did it break or was it never fitted when the alternator was replaced? It would seem that someone messed up badly. Can you perhaps post a pic of the right hand side of the engine bay - showing the pipes and the new alternator? Unfortunately and very sadly this particular dealer is fast gaining a very very bad reputation Regards Marius
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Mar 10, 2011 11:54:33 GMT 2
Hi Rainnedancer
You will need to plant some money trees and do some dances to recupe that kind of money.
That is really sad, I hope we can help get you running again.
Ari
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Post by marius on Mar 10, 2011 12:37:30 GMT 2
Hi again Denise I suppose the bracket you are referring to is the one I encircled with a blue arrow that sits on top of the alternator (green arrow). If you feel that the dealer was negligent and did not refit the bracket properly and also the rest of the shoddy job, I would seriously consider taking him to court. Unfortunately I don't think the new Consumer Protection Act is in place yet? Court action could be a long and costly affair - but if you take action he might just settle out of court and he probably will. If I were you I would replace all cooling fluid in the car with fresh ones. I would also look at the general condition of the water pump. Ironically the following tip on how to properly refill your cooling system is from that very same dealer - some years ago! It does work though NB - The person who does the job will have to do it exactly as prescribed. When refilling coolant park the front wheels on bricks or a ramp (not too high up) and fully open the heater vent. Open and remove the draintap on the engine and drain all the coolant. Refill with 4 –5 liters of aluminium compatible anti-freeze then fill the rest with clean water. As soon as the coolant overflows from the draintap on the engine re-tighten it. Keep the radiator cap off. Then fill until the radiator is "full". Whilst you fill squeeze all the hoses a couple times to push some air out of the system. Fill the radiator again and close the cap. NB! Check that the heater is fully open. Start the engine and run for a few minutes - NB!! CHECK THE TEMP GAGE ALL THE TIME. Switch off and rest the car for 10 minutes or until cooled down. Remove the cap and squeeze the pipes again to let the air out. Refit the cap and repeat the procedure. You will have to do it quite a few times. >>>Do not forget to check the temp gauge WHILST THE CAR IS RUNNING - EVERY TIME<<< Repeat the procedure until you have about 10 liters of fluid into the system. Close the heater when done. At running temp the gauge should be just over the 90 mark (the gauge is not very accurate) and should remain fairly constant in any condition. Hope it helps I would also give the car a thorough service by replacing all the oil with the correct grade oils and replace all filters. I know that this will mean extra costs, but at least you know the job is done! If you want to consider court action you should leave the car as is and first gather all the evidence. Regards Marius
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Post by hotstuff on Mar 10, 2011 14:53:54 GMT 2
THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THAT SHE HAS TO PAY ALL THAT . WHAT A NPITY I WOULD OF FLOWN OUT TO YOU TO SORT IT OUT FOR A HELL OF ALOT LESS. I WOULD REALLY TAKE HIM TO COURT FOR THIS. MAN YOU COULD BUY 2 EXCELLENT LADA'S FOR THAT PRICE. I HAD A CLIENT WHO HAD A SERVICE DONE IN THE CAPE AND COST HER R25K NOT RIGHT THIS IS
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