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Post by antone on Jun 23, 2012 0:47:29 GMT 2
Hi. I'm new to this forum. I signed up because i want to convert my lada niva 1600 to a 2x2. I have had so many issues with the transfer case alignment over the past 6 years, that i want to remove it permanently..
I was wandering if anyone had a mod example? or could suggest the best way to go about this change. The prop-shaft people Ive spoken to say that its not just a matter of extending the prop-shaft..
I really want to do this, i want to remove the transfer-case!! i don't care to much for the 4x4 although it was gr8 when i needed it, I don't really go anywhere that my standard car cant go if it had more clearance..
I hope someone here can help me.
Best regards
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Post by ladanivabelgium on Jun 23, 2012 7:28:07 GMT 2
Antone, we talked about this before, please read this
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Post by danie on Jun 23, 2012 8:25:27 GMT 2
Hi Antone Welcome to the Forum. If you have already made up your mind about 2wd, just go for it. I would advice you to get in contact with Douw, one of our members who has done a 2wd mod to his Lada, and apart from a negative comment about fuel consumption, Douw seem to be very happy about his conversion.: www.locsa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=656Douw does not visit this Forum very often, but I will send you his e.mail address and cell no. by PM. I am in possession of a Fiat 124 rear axle, and the diff ratio on the Fiat axle is exactly the same as the Lada's (1700cc) diff ratio. The specific Fiat model (1600cc engine) also came with a 5 speed gearbox, and the 5th Gear ratio is slightly different from the Lada's 5th Gear ratio - in short, the engine RPM at the Fiat engine / gearbox combination would be higher than the Lada's engine /gearbox combination, should the same size of tyres be used. As far as I know the Fiat 124 / 125's were not heave on fuel, so I think the fact that the Lada's engine is a bit underpowered, as well as the bigger (higher ) wheels on Ladas , are also contributing to negative fuel consumption figures when the Transfer Box gets removed. Danie
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Post by ronnie on Jun 23, 2012 8:33:56 GMT 2
Hi Antone
Welcome to the forum. You should think carefully before you convert to 4x2. There is plenty of info on the forum to at least make the vibration acceptable. there should be virtually no vibration if set up properly. there is plenty members here who will help you. I know some members have converted to 4x2 but I can`t remember how they got on with the speedometer as it is driven by the transfer case. I will have a look to see what is the relevant thread.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Jun 23, 2012 10:56:55 GMT 2
A 1600 4x2 is just wrong.
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Post by danie on Jun 23, 2012 13:14:43 GMT 2
Hi Antone There is no need to feel intimidated - just don't get rid of the Transfer Box and other 4WD components ! Who knows - the purists might start putting their money where their mouths are, and you could soon expect huge cash offers from them on your Lada ........ Danie
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Post by ronnie on Jun 23, 2012 14:07:55 GMT 2
A 1600 4x2 is just wrong. Hi Charles I agree with you. What is the point of having a 4x4 if it is not a 4x4 Ronnie
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Post by danie on Jun 23, 2012 16:35:49 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie I think we are dealing here with a couple of points - which (fore some unknown reason) are completely overlooked here : 1. It is a known fact that most 4 x 4 vehicles in South Africa are getting used for daily commuting purposes, and hardly ever get used for off road purposes. So to my mind - should an owner loves his Lada, do not want to get rid of his Lada, use it for daily commuting, and do not have any intention of using it for using it for off road purposes in future, why on earth should we try to convince them not to do a 2WD conversion . 2. All Locsa members (that includes myself) should never try to enforce our own ideas on other Lada owners (members of this forum). To my mind this is a "free for all" forum - and all Lada owners should feel at home", here - including the owners who prefer to do modifications to their Ladas ! 3. We are dealing with an owner who already owns his Lada for more than 6 years here. That means that some of us who dare to "give informative advice" are actually "rookies" , compared to the number of years that the owner already owns his Lada ! 4. Bear in mind that the owner still owns a Lada - and to all indications he is not planning to get rid of his Lada - so I believe it is completely unacceptable to pass any comments which might make make an owner feeling "guilty " of planning any modifications here ! Danie P.S. Hopefully this post will not be removed by the Moderators ?
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Post by Charles on Jun 23, 2012 17:32:29 GMT 2
Danie I agree with you. i would hate to see a 1600 converted to 2wd. But I am not the owner so I can not decide what he should do. If a 2wd conversion is going to mean that he is going to keep the car on the road and enjoy it then why not.
I myself would love a 2nd niva and make it rear wheel drive...
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Post by Charles on Jun 23, 2012 17:33:19 GMT 2
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Post by Charles on Jun 23, 2012 17:36:09 GMT 2
Just another though. All of us will never agree, like everybody's mods or changes, BUT we must remember that it is their choice to do with their car whatever they want, even if we do not agree.
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Post by ronnie on Jun 23, 2012 19:27:31 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I have passed my comments stating exactly what I think about converting a 4x4 to 4x2 and unless I have missed something that is one of the things a Forum is for. What I have said should not intimidate anyone and I stick by my statements. As far as I am concerned if you want a 4x2 buy one. I also gave details on which thread to read for help with vibrations. I see no problems here.
Ronnie
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Post by Roons on Jun 23, 2012 19:50:00 GMT 2
Ronnie. A 2x4 niva makes a lot of sence on our south african roads. It has a very cool body and strong suspension . I am going to do it to my niva too.
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Post by spikes on Jun 23, 2012 19:50:46 GMT 2
Just for clarity, I deleted my own two posts above. welcome to the forum Antone
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Post by danie on Jun 23, 2012 19:57:57 GMT 2
Hi Danie As far as I am concerned if you want a 4x2 buy one. Ronnie Hi Ronnie I have no intention of starting an argument here, but I think you are overlooking something very important: The owner do not seem to have any intention of selling his Lada - so to my mind it would not make any sense to try and convince him to sell the Lada. Regards Danie
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Post by hoodoo on Jun 23, 2012 20:04:30 GMT 2
My suggestion would be to remove front prop and diff / drive assembly, fit cut down old front CV joints to make use of the stub axle, then lock the transfer box. This way you get 2wd, but keep the option of reconverting to 4x4 should you decide to do so in the future, or, indeed, sell it on with that option included! If you decide to go full 2wd look at the split prop as used on Estate Rivas; they may be useable. Would Riva speedo drive fit? Regards,
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Post by antone on Jun 23, 2012 20:24:34 GMT 2
Really gr8 responces from everyone. Thank you.
I have had tha car for 6+ years, i drove it accross Africa to Morocco. a 2 year trip. I actually never came into a situation where i had to use the transfer box levers. I also realise the car is permanent 4x4 and that could have possibly been a reason. But i saw minibus vans with FULL loads + loads on their roofs equaling the height of the minibus (2x2) make the trip without problems. I do hanggliding and jetskiing, the clearance of the car is enough to satisfy my needs. I used to use my bmw 320I box shape for the same purposes without hassle.
I have thought about this long and hard, and 2x2 is the best solution for me. I Just spent R8000 on complete g/box, t/box, r/diff overhaul kits and also a couple of other little goodies.. I then spent another 3000 to fit everything, and now 2 months later i still cant (or rather dont want to) use the car because now the alignment of the t/case is out.. I cant find anyone who can do it either.. And everything is still leaking oil..
SO!! i just want to eliminate the problem by converting to 2x2.
@danie: i will take that number if you can pass it on for Douw. I think he may have the solution for me.
There were a couple of good ideas that you guys gave me. Thanks. The one propshaft company suggested taking away part of the body for clearance, i saw that the one example above they did the same thing..
I will keep everyone up to date on my progress even photos too..
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Post by Charles on Jun 23, 2012 20:33:00 GMT 2
Hi
Yes please post photos when you do it. What area are you in? Are you concerned by not having a working speedo?
Charles
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Post by Charles on Jun 23, 2012 20:34:24 GMT 2
Antone please post some pics of your Niva.
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Post by danie on Jun 23, 2012 20:42:35 GMT 2
Hi Antone
Thanks for a couple of very interesting comments !
If you are in possession of some photos about your trip through Africa, please feel free to forward some of the photos - I am sure everyone will appreciate that !
Just click at the blue " message" link - at the top of the top of the Forum, and you will get access to my PM ,(Personal Message) sent to you earlier today . You will find Douw's e.mail address, as well as his cell number there.
I think it might be better to try and get hold of Douw by using his cell number.
Regards
Danie
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Post by ronnie on Jun 23, 2012 22:59:43 GMT 2
Hi John
There are no Rivas in SA the Niva was the only model sold there.
Ronnie
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Post by ladanivabelgium on Jun 24, 2012 5:59:01 GMT 2
Antone, we talked about this before, please read thisi hate to repeat myself, but did you bother to reed this? Especially the part about ratio's and wheel size
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Post by spikes on Jun 24, 2012 6:50:52 GMT 2
Sadly Jan, I do not think so.
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Post by Charles on Jun 24, 2012 12:50:24 GMT 2
Antone, we talked about this before, please read thisi hate to repeat myself, but did you bother to reed this? Especially the part about ratio's and wheel size Without that reduction the niva will feel like it has 20% less power. Charles
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 25, 2012 13:14:44 GMT 2
Here are the standard rpm and speeds of a lada niva as well as the rpm and speed of one with 1:1 high range ie: no TC. Ari Attachments:
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Post by Charles on Jun 25, 2012 13:23:27 GMT 2
Nice rpm at cruising speed.
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Post by Ihar on Jun 25, 2012 13:37:09 GMT 2
Very nice
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Post by spikes on Jun 25, 2012 13:53:09 GMT 2
Thanks Ari.
Do you perhaps have the torque/rpm as well?
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 25, 2012 14:37:38 GMT 2
No torque
I worked them out in excel. speed at the top in km/h for each gear.
I can change the diff ratio, gear ratios, tyre size and TC ratios.
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Post by spikes on Jun 25, 2012 14:44:24 GMT 2
Thanks Ari In the attached the yellow highlights is my gut feel for"best torque" Would be wonderful if the NIVA motor could rev to the lofty heights. Spikes Attachments:
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