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Post by danie on Jul 26, 2010 21:04:42 GMT 2
Hi Marius Today I saw a very interesting washer at Bearing Man. It's called "Nord -Lock", and I just wondered if it might work as well The Nord-Lock washers are installed in pairs, have cams, and the cams are facing each other. The cams have a greater rise than the pitch on the thread of the gearbox output shaft. In addition, the two washers both have radial teeth on the opposite side. When the nut is tightened, the teeth grip and seat at the mating surfaces (back end of the nut, and front end of the flange). The two washers prevent a nut getting loose, because the cams between the two washers "try" to lift / force the nut outwards, once the nut "is trying" to get loose. And the more force on the nut, the less change there is that the nut will move: www.nord-lock.com/default.asp?url=3.16.37This video shows how it works: www.nord-lock.com/default.asp?url=51.16.37Regards Danie
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Post by marius on Jul 26, 2010 21:14:07 GMT 2
Hi Danie
Haven't seen that one before - could be worth a try but I know with the lock washer fitted properly there is no chance of the nut coming off.
Regards Marius
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Post by marius on Nov 21, 2010 18:35:17 GMT 2
Hi all Here is a pic of the original lock washer from Lada Parts in Russia - priced at $0.43 Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Nov 21, 2010 18:37:16 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Mine looks stronger than that and it cost $00000 ;D
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 25, 2010 16:23:15 GMT 2
Hi all To qoute myself from the beginning of this thread - >>Another interesting part that was missing on my Niva was part number 1702084-10 – this appears to be a spacer on the 5th/reverse selector rod. I fitted a makeshift – I believe it could possibly help to reduce wear on the selector fork – but this is just a guess.<< I found this on Baxter's site today - and more...
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Post by marius on Nov 25, 2010 16:27:44 GMT 2
I also found this - on how to tighten the rear nut on the output shaft. Very much like Ronnie's overkill BUT even more! I don't know how I've missed it?
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Post by marius on Nov 25, 2010 16:28:32 GMT 2
Here is the second part...
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Post by marius on Nov 25, 2010 16:29:55 GMT 2
AND here is what it looks like when finished
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Post by Charles on Nov 25, 2010 16:33:37 GMT 2
That will never come loose!
Charles
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Post by ronnie on Nov 25, 2010 16:44:25 GMT 2
Hi Marius I also saw these pictures on Baxter`s but I would not know how to post them on Locsa. Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 25, 2010 20:01:54 GMT 2
Well it is clear that this Russian wanted to make ABSALUTELY SURE IT NEVER DOES I supect the spring washer is at the bottom of the Black Sea ;D ;D ;D
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Post by 90ladaniva on Apr 29, 2011 15:24:28 GMT 2
Hi Guys ,All our nivas over on this side of the pond have these lock washers fitted and the nut never comes loose ,no matter what treatment you dish out for your niva .After you fit your flang there should be about 2mm of spline still visable at the threaded end of the flange .This 2mm of spine accomodates the space for the lock washer ,when fitting nut we use locktight on thread and fold at two sides of lock washer back over nut .This works a treat lads .Cheers Trev.
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Post by ronnie on Apr 29, 2011 17:39:34 GMT 2
Hi Trev
I know on mine the splines are only flush, nothing sticks out. I have made my own lock washer which does not use the splines. There is a picture somewhere on the thread.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Apr 29, 2011 17:54:13 GMT 2
Thanks Trevor Like the little spring on the tensioner I believe this is a critical part to ensure the good health of your Lada Marius
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Post by Charles on Apr 29, 2011 18:10:49 GMT 2
Thanks for the tip Trev.
Charles
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Post by Ladaniva on May 24, 2011 22:05:26 GMT 2
Thanks Trevor Like the little spring on the tensioner I believe this is a critical part to ensure the good health of your Lada Marius Hi Marius, I did a bit of searching for information about the "little spring on the tensioner" on the Locsa forum and established that it is on the timing chain shoe or tensioner. I had my 1600 motor overhauled recently (fitted new timing chain and tensioner too) but is now very interested to know if the little spring is installed. Is there a way to check from the outside if it is in place? I will also be very much appreciated if you could direct me to where I can see what the tollerances and procedures are to ensure that I have the correct tensioner shoes installed, and how to install it properly. The motor is still in my garage, so to open is not a problem, if required. Just for interest: I had to overhauled my motor because the timing chain tensioner fell into the engine and was grinded by the chain. The small pieces got sucked to the oil pump pickup and starved the bearings of oil. Luckily enough I opened the engine when I checked the engine over before starting the supercharger mod. The engine only had 50 000 km on the clock. The guy that asked me to order a new tensioner did not tell me that the tensioner was missing (obviously in the engine). It took me a while, but I finally decided I will not remove any of his body parts. (Nou weet jy hoekom ek bietjie kleinserig is oor die klein veertjie). The information on this website is invaluable to a Lada owner in South Africa. You guys are also doing a sterling job; thank you. I also think we should realy look after guys like Venz; we are priveledged to have him in South Africa. Groete, Fanus
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Post by 90ladaniva on May 25, 2011 6:49:23 GMT 2
Hi Guys ,Looks like you lads have solved your issues with the rear spline washer for your gear box shaft which is great news .Well done guys .Theres no better info than whats avaliable on all our Forums all over the world .Cheers Trev .
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Post by marius on May 25, 2011 8:09:50 GMT 2
Hi Fanus
There should be a tiny amount of play on the plunger at the end of the tensioner and once you release the plunger it should move back into it's original position. If there is no play you may well have no spring fitted.
With all the horror stories I have been through I tend to rather do the job myself (if I can).
AND Yes Ventz is a very important player and it is good to see that he gets involved in the discussions.
Regards Marius
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Post by marius on May 25, 2011 8:12:47 GMT 2
Hi Trevor
I had my work cut out for me to convince some of the guys just how vital this little part is ;D
Marius
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Post by ronnie on May 25, 2011 8:26:02 GMT 2
Hi Trev There is also another version of the lock washer available. The design is different, but the result the same. ;D ;D ;D ;D Ronnie
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Post by vincentc on May 25, 2011 12:23:38 GMT 2
Hi fanus If you buy new spares from ventz or mike or chris swales (or importing from lada uk etc) you will get the correct part. As you have already read on other parts of the forum, many other parts are substituted by " experts" and people who should know better. The thermostat is a good example. As the ad goes "keep it real" I am interested in the supercharger mod. What are you wanting to do with that oomph?
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Post by 90ladaniva on May 25, 2011 16:06:57 GMT 2
Hi again ,Thank you Marius,and Ronnie .To me you two guys really know your lada stuff and thats really great news for every one every where .To my of thinking people wont go to far wrong if they listen to what you two guys say ,Yous are doing a great job and keep up the good work fellas ,Love reading your Posts to .Cheers Trev.
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Post by marius on May 25, 2011 16:56:21 GMT 2
Geese Trevor that is a real nice thing to say In all honestly I don't see myself as a Lada expert as such but what I am most willing to do is to share some of that knowledge and experience that I have gained over the last decade or so with our Niva. Marius
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Post by ronnie on May 25, 2011 17:31:38 GMT 2
Hi Trev
That is a nice compliment to get. There are parts on a Niva I know nothing about, like fixing diffs and would not be able to help. Fortunately there is always someone who can. Where I can help I will always pass on what I know for the good of the Niva.
Ronnie
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Post by 90ladaniva on May 26, 2011 12:48:32 GMT 2
Thank you for the nice comments guys ,Stay well ,Cheers Trev.
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Post by Nikki Lada on Nov 3, 2011 21:46:21 GMT 2
Hi Guys
I’ll obviously be adding Marius’ famous ‘pet’ lockwasher, and spacer, to the list of spares I’m putting together but need to know if there is anything else I’m likely to need to get the job done. I’m trying to avoid a situation where everything is in pieces and I’m then asked for something else I didn’t know I should have!! ;D
I haven’t noticed any 5th gear problem as yet but as I seldom need it the places I take the lovely Nikita it’s hardly surprising! ;D However, I do seem to be having problems selecting other gears lately and the gearbox seems a bit ‘notchy’. Reverse is also a problem - sometimes it just slips into gear and other times I really battle.
Could this have anything to do with the screw coming loose?
NIKKI
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Post by Charles on Nov 3, 2011 22:20:52 GMT 2
Nikki I think you should drain the oil and look for metal shavings. I also had a gear selection problem and mine was the selectors that was badly worn.
The reverse problem could be due to the nut comming loose as it has to move the sekector sleeve that sits on the output shaft.
Charles
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Post by danie on Nov 4, 2011 6:05:49 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
There is a Thrust Ring between the Bellhousing and Gearbox bearing number 2101 - 1701033 01. I could be wrong, but his Thrust Ring do not seem to be listed on the spare part Catalog.
This Thrust Ring might not be the cause of your problem, but I think this component might by a "must have" component in anyone's possession.
I have had a close look at all components on both my Gearboxes, and discovered that on one Gearbox (which has been rebuild by professionals) the Thrust Ring is broken.
By having a close look at both Thrust Rings on the two gearboxes - I think I know why these Thrust Rings tend to break:
On both my Gearboxes the outer ring of bearing 2101 - 1701033 01 are slipping /rotating at the gearbox Housing. The Thrust Rings press against the outer ring of the above mentioned bearing - and the friction clearly causes the Thrust Rings to wear (it gets thinner by time), and it eventually breaks.
I think the mentioned outer bearing ring might be slipping in more Gearboxes out there , so it might be worthwhile getting hold of a spare Thrust Ring as well.
Danie
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Post by marius on Nov 4, 2011 8:26:35 GMT 2
The thrust washer is perhaps the "sealing ring - 2101-1701042". Apparently when that breaks you won't be able to shift into 4th gear.
When the nut comes loose the 5th gear will start to jump from gear. I think your problem might be as Charles suggested. It will be worth your while to get an extra set of selector forks and the tiny needle bearing as well - just in case.
Regular oil change can also make a nice difference in gear selection.
Marius
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Post by marius on Nov 4, 2011 8:31:22 GMT 2
Nikki another thing perhaps worth mentioning - on many cars you can sometimes struggle to get into reverse. When this happens it normally helps to engage first gear and then try the reverse gear.
Marius
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