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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 13, 2013 13:40:14 GMT 2
Picture says it all
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 13, 2013 13:41:04 GMT 2
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 13, 2013 13:50:00 GMT 2
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 15:03:45 GMT 2
Sheesh that's nasty! How did it happen
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 13, 2013 15:39:44 GMT 2
Was driving on tar road and suddenly heard the front wheel making noise and was unable to drive. Luckily I was close to home. Gotta get to jhb though for new job that start tommorow and I am a bit screwed now; We tried to weld it but it came loose again. Any1 near Volksrust with a spare wheel cyllinderr (fat chance)
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Post by spikes on Oct 13, 2013 17:17:10 GMT 2
looks as if the wheel was loose on the studs as well. I take it you have a hub to replace the buggered one?
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 13, 2013 19:28:49 GMT 2
Nope unfortunately dont have one. Gave my mechanic the part numbers as it is in the spareparts list on this forum so he can replace it while I am away for the week
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Post by Ihar on Oct 13, 2013 19:33:04 GMT 2
Hanno there are probably spare parts in Jhb let me know exactly what you need please?
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Post by Ventzel on Oct 14, 2013 9:46:35 GMT 2
Wow, I haven't seen such a damage as well.
I have 2 broken hubs in my collection but they break a little bit further inside under the bearing. Both of those hubs have been re-sleeved (!!! insane !!!) and the inner ring of the bearing which must be motionless was turning and eating the metal to the breaking point.
Hanno, remove the remaining part of the shaft and investigate it carefully. Waiting for your report.
I don't think the wheel was loose on the studs - the threads are clean and not damaged and you will feel big vibration on your steering wheel but everything is possible.
DON'T DO ANY WELDINGS OR ANY REPAIRS TO THE HUB - USE ONLY NEW ONE. THIS IS YOUR LIFE. IF HAPPENED WITH HIGHER SPEED BUT NOT CLOSE TO HOME THE CAR SHOULD OVERTURN.
I can't help at the moment - the last month I replaced 3 such a hubs and I'm out of stock currently until the new shipment come next month.
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Post by spikes on Oct 14, 2013 11:05:47 GMT 2
I base my "loose" on the markings visible on the hub at each wheel stud. That looks like chafing by the wheel against the hub. Not that I think that played any role in the breaking of the hub.
To the best of my knowledge the forum list of Maintenance spares does not contain hubs.
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Oct 14, 2013 13:20:01 GMT 2
Is it not just the brake disc that nees replacing there. Looks like that is part of the disc more than the hub.
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Post by spikes on Oct 14, 2013 14:00:47 GMT 2
This is the hub side-on with the bearing carrier at the back (that is the part with the nut that can be seen through the hole of the hub that Hanno is holding) The Hub from the outside (Side that the wheel bolts onto)
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Post by Ihar on Oct 14, 2013 14:16:08 GMT 2
Henno needs to replace the hub, top knuckle joint, bearing and seal
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Post by Ihar on Oct 15, 2013 5:12:49 GMT 2
Henno needs to replace the hub, top knuckle joint, bearing and seal Tjeers Steve I should of said ball joint and not knuckle. Tjeers Steve
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 20, 2013 19:44:32 GMT 2
Hi Guys, sorry for the week of silence, was away on work in jhb without a laptop to access the internet. I have been sruggling this week to get hold of my mechanic since wednesday so not too sure what is going on. I figured out now from your posts and the drawings at link that the wheel hub and brake discs are two different parts... thus I need to find an wheel hub asap. (It seemed to me that it was one part and subsequently I gave my mechanic the part number of the brake discs) Anyone with a wheel hub that can post it to me asap? (even second hand will do right now.) Ventzel, you mentioned I need to inspect some more, what exactly needs to be inspected? Thx for all the help guys!
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 24, 2013 14:11:32 GMT 2
Update: Reg Dodd had the parts and sent them through to me, got the upper ball joint and wheel hub and will have the rest by tommorow. Hopefully she will be back up and running by tommorow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 19:09:24 GMT 2
That's great news, I hope you get it back on he road soon
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 25, 2013 20:04:31 GMT 2
Ok I am able to drive the lada again, so gratefull.
Now just to get the thing to thing to stop, still strugling with the brakes. When bleeding the brakes I get pressure in the lines going straight to the front caliper(lower bleeding nipple on front caliper shoots out a nice fountain)
The line that goes to the rear and top of the front caliper has almost no pressure in (fluid gently flows out the nipple). We even used this gadget the mechanic had to pump brake fluid into the bleeding nipples so as to push the air out but even that didnt help to get the pressure up
Going to try and block off the rear brakes tommorow morning so all the pressure goes to the front brakes and see if that makes a difference. (I know its unsafe, but working front brakes is better than no brakes for time being and will help with the fault finding process)
Things I have checked: Rear shoes are still within spec, front discs have been replaced, load sensing valve seems a bit rusted (might be the culprit?)
Any ideas other than blocking off the rear brakes? Going to be in Midrand this comming week and have got alternative transport, is there anyone that I can take the lada to that would be able to help if I still cant get it fixed?
(btw must this be moved to the braking issues thread now?)
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Post by Ihar on Oct 25, 2013 21:47:58 GMT 2
Bleed all brakes starting at back right then back left, front left and front right last. Also humour me in this and ensure the handbrake is properly adjusted, yes I know it won't affect the name fluid pressure.
If you bringing your Lada to jhb you can always take it to centurion Lada. But I don't know where they are other than somewhere north of Pretoria.
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Post by ladanivabelgium on Oct 26, 2013 6:13:04 GMT 2
probably a stuck brake pressure regulator in the back. An other thing to keep in mind: see to it that the weight of the car is on the rear axle while bleeding. If the wheels are hanging free in the air with jacks under the body instead of the rear axle the brake pressure regulator will close
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Post by ronnie on Oct 26, 2013 9:19:50 GMT 2
Hi Steve
I agree, for the brakes to be good the hand brake must be properly adjusted.
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 26, 2013 12:07:51 GMT 2
Played around a bit with the handbrake settings to no avail.
then blocked off the rear brakes (just before load sensing valve) Brake are still not great, getting a bit more pressure at the top bleeding nipple though (line shared between rear and front brakes) but air keeps on comming out when bleeding it, must be a leak somewhere.
anyways it is ok to drive slowly now, will drive to ermelo monday and get a CBS to look at it
Thx for the help guys
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Post by ronnie on Oct 26, 2013 18:31:37 GMT 2
Hi Hanno
I can`t remember if you did anything to the Master cylinder or not but air getting in without fluid leaking out can be the master cylinder.
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Post by Ventzel on Oct 26, 2013 20:32:08 GMT 2
For low pressure at the bleeding nipple most often the problem is into the nipple. Just clean it inside or replace it with a new one; that's the easiest way to check.
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 27, 2013 7:20:33 GMT 2
I replaced the master cyllinder bout 2 months ago, the one connection leaked at one stage but after propperly turning them in it looks as if they dont leak anymore (checked that before bleeding yesterday)
I had one blocked nipple and replaced it along with some of the other nipples that started to strip (the original nipples are made from really sof metal).
Will check again if I see a leak at the master cyllinder and bleed it propperly before I drive tommorow.
thx for the input guys
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 27, 2013 7:21:38 GMT 2
just a correction, it was the lada's nipple that was blocked
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Post by Hanno Oostenbrink on Oct 27, 2013 14:50:52 GMT 2
I had a look again now and saw that the one pipe feeding the master cyllinder from the brake fluid reservoir was bent because it was too long, I think this prevented enough fluid of entering the master cyllinder, after cutting a piece of and bleeding again the brakes feel a lot better. Weird how a small stupid thing like that could have such an influence
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Post by spikes on Oct 27, 2013 17:28:08 GMT 2
Bleeding order (Rignt-hand Drive): Left rear, Right rear, Left front (upper), Right front (upper), Left front (lower), Right front (lower).
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Post by Ihar on Oct 28, 2013 7:04:10 GMT 2
Bleeding order (Rignt-hand Drive): Left rear, Right rear, Left front (upper), Right front (upper), Left front (lower), Right front (lower). From Baxter's Spikes I disagree, pipe wise the right rear is further than the left rear from the cylinders Tjeers Steve
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Post by spikes on Oct 28, 2013 7:28:32 GMT 2
You're welcome Steve, front order more important as air in pipes tend to accumulate at the highest point of a system.
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