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Post by dimitris on Aug 24, 2012 8:29:05 GMT 2
Hi Trev. I'll expect your comment. I might add that the generator during my trip, worked well without high temperatures, etc. Before the trip I had counted the HHO production again. At 10Amp was 1+ liter and at 12Amp 1.2 liters per minute. But I did not have a significant fuel economy. Cheers, Dimitris.
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Post by 90ladaniva on Aug 24, 2012 14:08:39 GMT 2
Hello Dimitris,Ok i have had a look at your results again but really need to know a bit more info first as trying to work this out when there was a trailer involved kind of makes calculating things a bit more difficult mate .Having said that a couple of questions about your trip, first i think .OK ,1. What was the road like that you traveled on ,Was there a lot of hills ,or was it a fairly flat run to your destination .2What was your fuel consumption before installing HHO unit .Towing a trailer is not one of the best ways of testing your fuel consumpsion as its often done on the vehicle under normal load conditions and ever day driving conditions .Can you please post your fuel used on your return trip with your 900 + Kilogram load .The good about your fuel cell is that you have plenty of room left to fine tune HHO cell .One final question mate ,How many litres of fuel did your niva use per 100 Kilometers before fitting HHO cell .Sorry for all the questions my freind but we need to know the above info to estimate what fuel consumption you can expect to get from your trusty Niva under no trailer conditions .Thank you .Cheers Trev .
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Post by ronnie on Aug 24, 2012 15:13:46 GMT 2
Hi Dimitris
Your consumption is close to the same as I was getting with the Weber carb. The only Niva I had which I used heavily loaded was Ari`s and there was hardly any difference between running heavily laden and driver only. None of my driving was short distance, at least 60 kms at a time.
Ronnie
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Post by 90ladaniva on Aug 24, 2012 16:46:38 GMT 2
Ronnie, I somewhat find that unreal ,as all my vehicles use more fuel when they are heavy loaded than they do with only driver and passenger on board .and thats my Niva aswell with webber carby .Let alone My Trailer with 500 kilos of gear in it .Cheers Trev .
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Post by dimitris on Aug 24, 2012 17:27:32 GMT 2
Hi all Dear Trev, In order to avoid confusion with the numbers. I have a fuel economy but is less than 10%. The video show the road that I traveled on. Generally it was a flat road. But I can not understand why there is no difference in the exhaust gas when the generator being ON or OFF. I also agree with Ronnie The load my car carries has little impact on the fuel consumption, of course I do not mean the load of a tone. eg. If only me is travelling or four people, there is no significant difference. But there is a huge difference when traveling at 80 or 100 km\h Cheers Dimitris
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Post by ronnie on Aug 24, 2012 17:55:15 GMT 2
Hi Trevor
With the defender 300 TDI I found the exact opposite, Running empty 10lt /100kms, laden with just over 1 ton about 16lt /100kms. Laden into a head wind 20lt /100kms. The funny thing in the game reserve laden and using low ratio because of the very deep sand 12lt /100kms, this at low speed. Even with the Niva in deep sand the consumption did not change much. It does not always make sense, especially when I hear other people complaining about the fuel used when off road.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Aug 24, 2012 18:01:07 GMT 2
Hi Dimitris.
I agree with your statement re the consumption difference at 80 and 100. With the Niva I traveled at 120 as much as possible and the tank to tank consumption was just over 10 lt/ 100kms. I know Vincent drives at 130kmh and he still gets less than 11lt/ 100.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Aug 24, 2012 18:10:34 GMT 2
Hi Dimitris
Thanks for the video. There is only one thing that confuses me. Is the idea in your country to drive with the solid white line in the middle of the vehicle ? ;D ;D ;D or is it trick photography.
Ronnie
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Post by dimitris on Aug 24, 2012 18:25:27 GMT 2
Ronnie, no it is not a trick. Usually the right wheels are out of the line. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by 90ladaniva on Aug 25, 2012 2:31:56 GMT 2
Hello Demitris ,I agree your results are certainly not nothing to crow about but when testing is done you will see great results .The fact that your cell does not get to hot is a good thing and can only mean that your choice of HHO cell was infact the right one and of good design.How ever there is a issue when feeding to much HHO into your motor can have a neg result and can some times cause your motor to use more fuel than normal And i think this is whats happening in your case mate .You said your cell makes 1 LPM of HHO at 10 Amps and 1 and a half LPM at 12 AMPS which is way to much for your engine size .OK,Set and keep your PWM set at 6 AMPS no more and this should drop production to around 1/2 to 3/4 LPM of HHO which is about the right amount for your engines size .After further testing set at 6 amps and no more let me know your results .I beleive you will pleasantly surprised by the results .Looking forward to your results after further testing my freind .Good luck .Cheers Trev .
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Post by dimitris on Aug 25, 2012 8:23:07 GMT 2
Hi Trev. Perhaps this look funny to you, but I thought that I should increase the production of HHO. ;D I thought to add more KOH in the water to increase the Amps. Now I understand that it will take many tests to find the right amount of HHO to have fuel economy. OK friend, I will continue testing and I'll let you know about the results. Thank you again. Cheers, Dimitris
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Post by 90ladaniva on Aug 25, 2012 13:32:37 GMT 2
Hi Dimitris ,Thank you for your fast reply .I have been looking at your videos and pics and must say i enjoyed watching them very much .Your niva sounds to be running nice in the videos mate .Thanks for posting .Cheers Trev .
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Post by bobbyd on Aug 27, 2012 12:36:10 GMT 2
I was always under the impression that the hydrogen acts as a catalyst, ie aids fuel burn. But I have been wrong before on plenty of occasions.
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Post by 90ladaniva on Sept 17, 2012 15:39:10 GMT 2
Well guys whats happening on the Hydrogen scene these days .I am all most finished building two units now so will post some pics soon i expect .Cheers Trev .
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Post by ronnie on Sept 17, 2012 17:35:40 GMT 2
Hi Trevor
I don`t remember hearing anything else from Dimitris on his unless I missed a post.
Ronnie
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Post by 90ladaniva on Sept 18, 2012 3:46:01 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie ,I think Dimitris is busy doing fuel consumption tests first and then he will post results when he has completed all testing .Unfortunatly these results can not be rushed as it takes time to monitor all testing results .Cheers Trev .
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Post by dimitris on Sept 24, 2012 20:33:48 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie ,I think Dimitris is busy doing fuel consumption tests first and then he will post results when he has completed all testing .Unfortunatly these results can not be rushed as it takes time to monitor all testing results .Cheers Trev . Hi guys I am very busy with my work and this is the reason that I have not written anything new about hho generator. I've driven only 50-60 kilometers with the Niva, in the city during last weeks. Cheers, Dimitris
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Post by dimitris on Nov 15, 2012 15:51:24 GMT 2
Hi all.
After long time and many tests (hho generator ON and OFF)...... The results. In the city , the fuel economy is +-10%, Out of the city---100km\h--- fuel economy 15%. The hho generator works perfectly at 9-10A, and engine performance is much better.
Cheers, Dimitris
PS. The next step ....... mixing petrol ,hho and acetone. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by spikes on Nov 15, 2012 18:22:13 GMT 2
Hi Dimitris, I thought you had blown up like a hot air balloon Glad there is tangible improvement. The way fuel prices are going here, we will also have to start looking at ways of getting more out every liter of fuel Spikes
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Post by Charles on Nov 15, 2012 19:37:09 GMT 2
Great news.
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Post by spikes on Jan 11, 2014 9:43:15 GMT 2
Copied ist 3rd of page dimitris images moved
Will try and get him to put back in
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