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Post by Charles on May 3, 2012 20:44:22 GMT 2
Ari remove it, strip and clean it.
Charles
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 3, 2012 20:59:56 GMT 2
Hi Calla
Thanks will strip tomorrow. My 33 kgs of Pavel Part should be here tomorrow.
Hi Danie
The engine does not turn. I can hear the solenoid engaging and it is gettin power. Battery is ok as I drove with it in my car today.
Ari
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Post by danie on May 3, 2012 21:15:54 GMT 2
Hi Ari
I know this sounds stupid, but I would still get the battery properly checked first.
Batteries do not last these days, and cooler whether conditions could also play a role.
Danie
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Post by Charles on May 3, 2012 21:26:52 GMT 2
Ari post a pic of your parcel. Curious to see what you got.
Put the niva in gear and "rock2 it forwards and backwards so it just moves a bit then see if it will start. Might be a dead spot on the armature. I think its most likely dirty brushes.
Charles
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Post by Roons on May 3, 2012 21:38:18 GMT 2
Charles that works alot of the time. Ari this sounds stupid but tap the starter with some thing hard on the solenoid. But it may need a good cleaning. Just sad that it is so hard to get the dam thing out.
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Post by ronnie on May 4, 2012 8:32:23 GMT 2
Hi Danie and Ari
Buy a good quality deep cycle battery and it should last for at least 6 to 8 years. This is from personal experience. The Landy had 7 batteries, 2 lasted close to 10 years, 1 was changed to alter the layout and the other 4 fed from the 2nd alternator are now 7 years old. These four batteries fed the fridge freezer and had a hard life powering the freezer @ - 16 deg c.
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Post by spikes on May 4, 2012 8:41:51 GMT 2
Hi Ari
With your recent amphibian adventure in mind, the NIVA starter certainly got water into it.Sounds like the solenoid is stuck.(Rust?) A good clean-out and brush check/replacement would be my first option. Larger brushes can be trimmed down with a file to fit the starter mounts.
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Post by ronnie on May 4, 2012 8:45:43 GMT 2
Hi Danie
When you mention jump leads, a warning to anyone who intends buying a set. The cheap ones are useless as the plastic insulation is the only part that is thick. The copper inside is so thin that it will barely turn the motor over when you try to jump start your Niva.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on May 4, 2012 10:14:20 GMT 2
Ronnie I agree with the jumper cables. My advice, buy 4 heavy duty jumper clamps from a spares shop. Go to a scrap yard and buy the battery cable from a merc or bmw with the battery in the boot. Under R100 and they are 3.5 to 4meters long. It is 0 guage cable. The same cable would cost over R500. Best jumpers ever.
Charles
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 4, 2012 15:07:20 GMT 2
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Post by ronnie on May 4, 2012 16:28:53 GMT 2
Hi Charles
Great idea for jump leads. I never thought of that. I have always used heavy duty clamps and welding cable. Your way will be cheaper.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on May 4, 2012 18:55:44 GMT 2
That cable is the same thickness as proper welding cables.
Charles
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 4, 2012 19:32:52 GMT 2
got the GB and TC out this afternoon. . . and the starter now
Ari
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Post by Charles on May 4, 2012 20:46:47 GMT 2
Why did you pull them? Pulling the box on a pit must be a pleasure.
Charles
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 4, 2012 21:01:54 GMT 2
Need to put the new thrust rings in and replace the rear crank oil seal.
Its easier than our last attempt but I think the pit is too deep for a high vehicle like the lada.
Ari
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 4, 2012 21:03:52 GMT 2
Charles
How do I strip and clean the starter??
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Post by Charles on May 4, 2012 21:23:27 GMT 2
Look in the manual if they say how to strip it. I do not really know how to explain. or take it to a autolec and have them clean it.
Charles
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Post by ronnie on May 5, 2012 8:16:05 GMT 2
Hi Ari
You could grow a bit or stand on a box ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on May 5, 2012 8:20:30 GMT 2
Hi Ari
Remove the Solenoid first then the long bolts which pass through the length of the starter. You should be able to then remove the end cap with the brushes. This should be correct though I have not opened one for a long time. I am lazy and send them to the AE.
Ronnie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 5, 2012 14:22:48 GMT 2
Thanks Ronnie, got it half open and then the plastic solenoid thing (looks like a clutch fork in the starter motor) didn't want to release. So I washed it with petrol and then for good measure poured 100ml in at the back and let it drain thru the starter. Reconnected and it works. Dont understand why people moan about access to the starter. . . . . . . its easy once the GB is out. Ari
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Post by Charles on May 5, 2012 18:47:10 GMT 2
Air the petrol isn't very good. As the bushes needs oil on them. But its working now so leave it alone.
Charles
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 5, 2012 19:22:13 GMT 2
Well you guys didn't say how to clean it. . . . .
I found some sand in it, so I think that was the problem.
Ari
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 5, 2012 19:23:02 GMT 2
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Post by spikes on May 5, 2012 19:25:04 GMT 2
@ari If you still have the G/box out, remove the starter and lubricate the end bushes with thin oil Charles the older you get the more you mislay the tools and end up buying more. It is a viscous circle
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 5, 2012 19:26:51 GMT 2
@ Spikes What oil is thin oil
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Post by Charles on May 5, 2012 19:30:45 GMT 2
Just put some engine oil on the bushes.
Ari since last week Wednesday.
Spikes I think its a addiction. Just want more and more. Just wish I could afford all the stuff I want.
Charles
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Post by spikes on May 5, 2012 19:33:02 GMT 2
@ Ari Sewing machine oil. You can get that at a Singer dealer, otherwise just use clean engine oil.
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Post by spikes on May 5, 2012 19:37:59 GMT 2
@ Ari& Charles You lubricate the dry bronze bush by balancing it on you index finger, fill with oil and pressurise with your thumb. When the oil seep through the outside of the bush it is saturated and will last a hell of long time You may need to refill the bush.
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on May 5, 2012 19:44:00 GMT 2
Ok thanks Spikes
How do you get the bushes out?
Ari
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Post by Charles on May 5, 2012 20:22:46 GMT 2
Do it with the bush in place. Just press the oil into it.
Spikes the nissans have bronze pilot shaft bushes. Do you know how many boxes i have had to remove because of those bushes becoming dry over time.
Charles
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