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Post by Jakes on Jan 24, 2011 6:14:58 GMT 2
Hey guys. Two questions. - What year of the Suzuki sidekick rims fit the Lada or is the spacing the same for any year?
- Where will I be able to get them from? I'm looking for the same ones as in the photo below. I'm a bit nervous of trying scrap yards as I dont know if the rims will be bent.
Thanks guys.
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Post by marius on Jan 24, 2011 7:52:51 GMT 2
Hi Jakes
I'm sure Ari and some of the other guys would be able to answer your questions. Hope you get sorted.
Regards Marius
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Post by Ventzel on Jan 24, 2011 9:51:13 GMT 2
Hi Jakes,
Please read my remarks in the section - REPLACEMENT RIMS.
Ventz
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Post by Charles on Jan 24, 2011 9:58:25 GMT 2
Hi Jakes
Be very carefull when changing rims. The offset must be as close as possible to standard otherwise your wheel bearing and steering box will be under alot of stress. Rather buy a set of pro white rims in the correct offset. Follow Ventz advice. He has more experience than any of us when it comes to Nivas.
Charles
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Post by Jakes on Jan 24, 2011 18:17:03 GMT 2
Hi Jakes, Please read my remarks in the section - REPLACEMENT RIMS. Ventz Hey Ventz, where will I be able to find this section?
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Post by Jakes on Jan 24, 2011 18:22:06 GMT 2
Hi Jakes Be very carefull when changing rims. The offset must be as close as possible to standard otherwise your wheel bearing and steering box will be under alot of stress. Rather buy a set of pro white rims in the correct offset. Follow Ventz advice. He has more experience than any of us when it comes to Nivas. Charles Hi Charles Where will I be able to get a set of these pro white rims?
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Post by spikes on Jan 24, 2011 19:38:27 GMT 2
Hi Jakes Here is Ventz' reply re rims "i, Hey Mike, don't encourage the forum members to do such a mods. It is unacceptable for the car's health and your own safety to do this. The brakes, steering, wheels/tyres - that is your life. You may have not engine, but the elements above should be in perfect order. And the offset is very important. Actualy the forum is full of shocking dangerous modification, but it's all your business. I'm not goin' to argue there. Options for rims: 1. Old Suzuki Samuray. The rim fits, offset wrong. 2. Lada Sidekick mags - probably the best and easyest option. The offset is not perfect 100%, but acceptable. 3. The old KIA Sportage 15" steel rims - fits perfect; offset perfect - better than the Sidekicks. 4. Check the new Sportage alloy rims - could be with the same shape like old ones, it is logical but I can't be sure. 5. Daihatsu - I checked once upon a time a rim from Daihatsu Feroza, doesn't fit. May be some other models? 6. Suzuki Vitara - probably, I don't know. 7. Suzuki Jimny - looks perfect for Lada. I measured it with tape, everything seems OK, but never fit it on Lada to test it; there was no spare rim in the showroom in my town and I didn't want the salesman to strip the new car for my own test . If somebody of you have a chance to check it, it will be useful for all of us. 8. Traildusters with the right offset were available at the end of 1990's. Later the factory in Port Elizabeth (or in East London, I don't remember exactly) stop to produce them. We tryed to order some in Y2000 but they did not interested to make it again. If somebody has a chance to find some of them - OK. 9. There are some mags and traildusters in Tiger Wheel and Tyre which fit, but they are with so wrong offset - even the Lada fender peels pieces of the rubber when turning and the steering is real mission. Stay away of them. Ventz Read more: locsa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=ventzel#ixzz1ByWxK3sI" Regards Spikes PS If you know who the author is it is easier to search by clicking on his/her name and select the last xxx posts s
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Post by ronnie on Jan 24, 2011 19:46:26 GMT 2
Hi Jakes
If you go to technical page 2 bigger wheels/ tyres on Ladas you can read the whole story.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Jan 24, 2011 20:09:05 GMT 2
The pro white rims you can buy at any tyre shop. I can get them here for about R400. Price shouldnt be very different in other parts of the country.
Charles
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Post by Jakes on Jan 25, 2011 5:15:15 GMT 2
Thank you guys for the help. I do appreciate it.
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Post by Ventzel on Jan 25, 2011 8:47:21 GMT 2
The existing pro white rims (traildusters) on the market which can fit on Ladas are with very wrong offset. If you can find old ones - it will be the only solution.
My recommendation is to wait a few months and get the new tyres which Marius arranged for us. The car feels happy only with standard rims and tyres and the driving is easier.
Ventz
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Post by Charles on Jan 25, 2011 10:09:45 GMT 2
Ventz what should the offset be?
Charles
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Post by Ventzel on Jan 25, 2011 10:57:39 GMT 2
I lost somewhere the specification with the exactly figure.
Do you have a standard factory 16" wheel? It is easy to see in a first glimpse. The outside surface of the tyre (the rubber) should be approximately in one level with the bolt holes.
I've got traildusters with bolt holes deep inside 90 mm. The half of the wheel stays outside of the fender. I'll never put such a thing on any Lada. If somebody is interest in them, be my guest - R150 each. With the tyre - R200 each. The tyres are crazy 215/75R15, not new but in reasonable condition.
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Post by Jakes on Jan 25, 2011 13:15:05 GMT 2
The problem is on my lada, I have three pro white rims (they look like beach buggy rims) and one standard rim. I want to change them all, and I really like the the rims in the picture at the top of this thread.
Those look pretty standard to me. I wish I could get hold of them and measure them up. I will google to try and find what the offset should be.
Is there no ways that a person can get rims made up with the correct offset and the design they wish to have?
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Post by spikes on Jan 25, 2011 13:26:57 GMT 2
hi Jakes If you are located in the Western Cape, try this number+27721861388. They had 5 original rims for sale for R500. Still available on the the 29/12/2010.Tpt cost to Nelspruit made expensive for my liking rgds Spikes
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Post by Ventzel on Jan 25, 2011 16:52:26 GMT 2
Hi Jakes,
The picture at the top has been taken at least 6 years ago (see the number plate - it is licensed to Aug'95) and somewhere on the Balkans, the shape of the pavement is typical. Unfortunately the first letters are out of the picture even I can determinate the country and the city. Anyway. The offset of the rim is acceptable.
Now I remember I've got 4 original factory 16" rims but modifyed. Somebody big lover of fat tyres welded additional 40 mm wide ring. And the offset was changed with 40 mm. Shocking modification and too much work for nothing. But this rim now can accommodate tyre to size 215. I'm ready to get rid of them with pleasure. For a price of R500 for all. You can use them on the car and keep the 5th original one as a spare tyre.
Ventz
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jan 25, 2011 19:13:31 GMT 2
Hi Jakes
I also have 4x 16" steel rims (not modified) with 205 tyres on.
Ari
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Post by danie on Jan 25, 2011 20:19:53 GMT 2
Hi Jakes
Like elsewhere at this forum, I beg to differ from the warnings about Pro White rims at this thread, as well as elsewhere at this forum !
From my own experience (covered more than 55 000 kms) on "Pro Whites (7J X 15'' with 205 / 70 / R15 Kumhos) there is no need to worry about these rims, and tyres, if you are driving carefully at all times.
Looking at the pic on the first page, I believe the offset on the Suzuki rims should be a lot better than the offset on the 7J Pro Whites. The Suzuki rims really looks great, and I would not think twice to get hold of a set of those.!
If you have a close look at comments by a member from the UK elsewhere at this Forum, you will see that he has already covered about 25 000 kms on much bigger wheels (235's I think, fitted to rims with a "complete wrong" offset) - without any problems !
Danie
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Post by marius on Jan 25, 2011 20:57:29 GMT 2
Danie's comment should be completely disregarded - he is such a BIG FAN OF HUGE FAT TYRES ;D ;D ;D It's also no secret that I completely agree with Ventz on this matter - we had a big talk with Charles on the subject as well - and the "old school" apparently convinced him to go for the "smaller" size. Personal taste also plays a huge part in selecting the "suitable" tyres for your Lada. My choice in sticking to the standard 16" rim with a 175/80R16 tyre is simple. I don't want to take the chance in ruining the RHS steering box which is virtually unobtainable and replacement parts (if you can get any) will cost you a fortune. Our member in the UK is already hard at work replacing his steering box Steering is already on the heavy side - any larger tyre would multiply the effect - putting more strain on the steering box. I also believe that too big an offset will have a detrimental effect on the bearings - esp in the long run. If you want to go the wider route I would not go any wider than 205's - and that is pushing it. Regards Marius
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Post by danie on Jan 26, 2011 6:11:51 GMT 2
Hi Marius Sorry to tell you - nobody here will convince me that I am completely wrong regarding bigger wheels ! ;D Could you, Ventz, or anyone else please explain to me why the wheelbearings and steering box on my Lada did not give any problems for more than 55 000 problems I believe it simply lasted for that long, because I drive carefully at all times, and because I do respect a Lada's limits in this regard. Or there might be another reason, and I believe specially the Agents will not like to read this :
When one of the Agents replaced the wheelbearings on my Lada more than 55 000 kms ago, he firstly almost bekakked himself when he saw an aftermarket radiator cap on my Lada - then he told me that only original parts should be used on a Lada. About two months after the wheelbearings have been replaced by this Agent - the one rear sideshaft on my Lada came loose while I was driving on the Highway. To cut a long story short, I discovered that this Agent never replaced the retainer ring next to the wheelbearing - it has been almost destroyed by him during the initial disassembling process, before he simply used it again after the new bearing had been installed ! Long story - but wait for this......... the very same agent installed SKF wheelbearings on my Lada - after he almost bekakked himself about the non original radiator cap ! That raises another possibility - maybe the SKF bearings (from Japan) are much better quality than the Russian bearings, and should rather be used when bigger wheels are fitted.By the way, since I discovered that at least one Agent warns everyone about aftermarket parts - while he install aftermarket parts himself, I simply believe that this "keep it original" talk from the Agents is nothing other than sales talk acrobatics, and plain bullshiit. Danie
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Post by Jakes on Jan 26, 2011 6:42:42 GMT 2
I'm just looking for a nice set of rims and the ones on the pic look really sweet on the Lada. They look like they come with the car, but where to find them is another story.
How about the guys on this forum posting some pics of their wheels and mags? It would be interesting to see what you guys are going with!
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Post by marius on Jan 26, 2011 7:58:24 GMT 2
Hi Danie ;D It's also no secret that the agents are here to make money - and this is not just the Lada agents. This is endemic to the whole industry. Needles to say they will only push their products - whether genuine or aftermarket. The safety issue on your car is an entirely different matter though Your 205's on the 15" rim is to my mind acceptable (within the outer limits) provided as you say that you drive carefully. I have yet to see a challenged man with a few Castles behind him driving carefully ;D The 205's on the 16" will catch the body and you will need to do some cutting and lifting. Lifting is an entire different matter and provides it's own set of problems if overdone - but let's not get there in this already hijacked thread ;D Regards Marius
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Post by marius on Jan 26, 2011 8:04:37 GMT 2
I'm just looking for a nice set of rims and the ones on the pic look really sweet on the Lada. They look like they come with the car, but where to find them is another story. How about the guys on this forum posting some pics of their wheels and mags? It would be interesting to see what you guys are going with! Sorry Jakes - but now you can have your own back ;D Jan from Centurion Lada (as you can gather he is not our favourite agent) has got some interesting 15" steel rims - I have no idea whether he still sells them or at what price but it might be worth a look. Let us know if you can get a price. Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Jan 26, 2011 8:57:32 GMT 2
Hi Marius
As usual you have answered for me regarding the tyre and rim size. 205 would be pushing the limits. It is well known in all brands of vehicle that wide rims and tyres cause premature bearing failure. This is no myth. Danie does not drive fast so he may get away with his fat tyres, but the younger generation do not drive this way and will do more off road work than he does.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Jan 26, 2011 9:04:39 GMT 2
Hi Danie
I can only comment about the Pretoria "agent" and he does not stick to original parts. This includes the Thermostat where he fits his own SA Thermostat which is NOT a thermostat at all and will cause damage to the motor due to it running much too cold.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Jan 26, 2011 9:17:57 GMT 2
Hi Marius
One other thing to remember when you fit larger diameter tyres you will affect the speedometer reading and your pulling power, due to the higher gearing. The Lada is not overpowered to begin with and I don`t remember anyone with large tyres making any mention of this.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Jan 26, 2011 13:12:02 GMT 2
Hi Jakes
I have pro whites that I sprayed black. The look fantastic.
Charles
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Post by jaco1978 on Jan 26, 2011 14:23:09 GMT 2
Hi Jakes I have pro whites that I sprayed black. The look fantastic. Charles Charles, what is the "pro whites"? I ask because I have some rims on my Lada that I think is standard (and rusted). Then I have 5 other rims that came with my Lada that is white(-ish). I have never paid close attention to see if they are the same size but I'll go look this afternoon and compare them.
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Post by Charles on Jan 26, 2011 15:58:42 GMT 2
Hi Jaco
Pro whites are also know as trail duster. Its like the rims on the venter trailers. Those very simple steel rims.
Charles
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jan 26, 2011 16:06:05 GMT 2
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