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Post by ronnie on Nov 19, 2010 16:04:00 GMT 2
Hi Marius
With loctite and the spring washer and torqued properly it should not come loose. The funny thing is I never see any reference to this in the UK forum. I was hoping Bob would chip in with their experience in Australia as I don`t see much reference to it there. A lot of the Australian Ladas appear to be 1600`s and I don`t know what if they have the same bother. I should be OK as I have thick spring washer locking tab washer and loctite!!!
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 19, 2010 16:31:04 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie >>With loctite and the spring washer and torqued properly it should not come loose<< mine and MANY others have come loose AND yes it is very strange that no mention of this is made on any other forum, Danie and I spoke about it when I first joined - but still one of the most things Niva owners complain about is the 5th gear jumping out. As I've said in my 5th gear thread - to me this is a simple maths thing. Hopefully I will get an official explanation soon Anyways I think yours is now thief proof ;D Regards Marius
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Post by danie on Nov 19, 2010 17:25:56 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
Where did you buy that tab locking washer (pic at page seven) ?
Have you got a part number ?
regards
Danie
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Post by marius on Nov 19, 2010 17:34:44 GMT 2
Danie how can you ask Mr DIY that ;D
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Post by ronnie on Nov 19, 2010 18:30:25 GMT 2
Hi Dannie
The part number is 2010 RON 0001 and is only available from me as it is experimental.
Ronnie ;D
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Post by ronnie on Nov 19, 2010 18:48:43 GMT 2
Hi Marius I hate to harp on ;D but I have been looking at a video of Ahma`s regarding this nut which he mentions can come loose. He says the splines on the shaft and the flange can wear. As far as I know wear cannot take place without movement!!!. Movement on the splines can loosen a nut. How did the wear take place ?. Either the splines were not machined to spec in the factory or the nut was never torqued properly which will also lead to wear on the splines. There are other flanges on the Lada with splines and locking nuts where there is no problem. As far as I am concerned if there is no wear on the splines and the nut has loctite the nut cannot come loose. ( there is no turning action present between the parts.) Mine will not come loose as it has a special tab washer (patented) which I thought was half a mm thick but is actually 1 mm. This should keep Marius busy for a while . I await your comments ;D ;D ;D Comrade Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 19, 2010 19:55:32 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie >>There are other flanges on the Lada with splines and locking nuts where there is no problem<< you just answered ALL your questions. >>He says the splines on the shaft and the flange can wear.<< I agree fully with your statement. Wear on the splines is highly unlikely and that is NOT the reason why the nut comes undone. I have said before - Loctite does not work there in the long term. Well at least it did not work for me 2 fairly expensive times in a row I can assure you - your combo will do the job though That did not take too long ;D ;D Regards Marius PS - My lawyer will soon be in contact with you regarding your patent
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Post by marius on Nov 19, 2010 20:05:12 GMT 2
Oh and I forgot - didn't you and Danie try Ahma's mod on the TC? ;D If I am not mistaken he used Loctite there too ;D I have contacted one of our newly acquired members to comment on this issue and also an official supplier - hopefully they will shed some useful light on the matter. I think I have done all that I can to prove my point - it is now a matter of use it or loose it as far as I am concerned. My only vested interest here is to serve the Lada community as best I can. I have no hidden agendas. Regards Marius
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Post by Ventzel on Nov 19, 2010 20:32:05 GMT 2
Hey Ronnie, your oil seal was for the gearbox, I hope you are not using 85W/140 there !!!!!!!!! Gearboxes use 80W/90.
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Post by ronnie on Nov 19, 2010 20:47:56 GMT 2
Hi Ventz
Just to put your mind at rest I only used the 85 / 140 in the transfer and diffs. 90 in the gearbox with no overfill.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Nov 19, 2010 20:53:06 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Yes I tried the mod on the T / C rear output shaft. It removed all play but unfortunatly the sealed bearing did not take long to let the oil seap through. As far as the tab washer goes I am trying to wind you up ;D and only saying what should be logical ;D
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 19, 2010 21:50:08 GMT 2
I will tell my lawyers to add a windup% ;D
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Post by danie on Nov 20, 2010 8:05:20 GMT 2
The part number is 2010 RON 0001 and is only available from me. ;D
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Post by marius on Nov 22, 2010 9:04:07 GMT 2
Hi all I tried to get pics of the different nuts on the output shaft - but Lada Parts only have one nut. Looks the same as the one on my shaft and fits on both the old and new shaft. The only other nut that fits on an output shaft at Lada Parts is not for the Niva but even with this nut the lock washer should not be any trouble to fit. It would seem that the lock washer is actually available for all Ladas - not just the Niva. Maybe someone can post a pic of the other nut - Mike perhaps you can help here - Ventz has some problem posting pics? Regards Marius Attachments:
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Post by marius on Nov 22, 2010 10:59:11 GMT 2
Hi all Sorry for the repost - but I thought I should post the lock washer here too Regards Marius Attachments:
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Post by ronnie on Nov 22, 2010 11:23:11 GMT 2
Hi Marius The new nut I got from Ventz is slightly lower than the one which was on. Being logical the shorter one would use the thick spring washer and the Tab washer one would use the longer one. If this is the case the one which was on mine was the wrong one .I think Ventz would be able to answer that one better than me. Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 22, 2010 11:31:06 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie If this is the one - it is not for any of the the Nivas...but if it fits on the shaft it should still work with the lock washer as I believe the lock washer is made for all Ladas. Regards Marius Attachments:
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Post by ronnie on Nov 22, 2010 11:35:40 GMT 2
Hi Marius
It is difficult to tell but that one looks even shorter.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 22, 2010 11:37:14 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
Those are the only two nuts available on the output shaft from Lada Parts.
Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Nov 22, 2010 11:40:42 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Hopefully Ventz will comment on this.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 22, 2010 12:25:08 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie I managed to find my old nut - so here is a better pic. This nut fits on the old shaft as well as the new one - which incidentally is the same as the 2123. Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Nov 22, 2010 14:49:17 GMT 2
Hi Marius
My old nut has an overall height of 22mm. The new one I don`t know but there was not a great amount less, a few mm.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 22, 2010 15:16:22 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie I don't know but maybe that difference could have caused vibration - well that is if I understand Ventz correctly. So maybe your lock washer made up the extra space The nuts I've got are abou 22mm high. Regards Marius
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Post by Ventzel on Nov 23, 2010 9:44:01 GMT 2
Yeah, this is the latest nut - the photo above. It needs thick spring washer and centering seal in cone shape. The previous nut has two steps on the cylindrical surface - one for the spring, another for the centering seal in round shape.
V.
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Post by marius on Nov 23, 2010 20:46:02 GMT 2
Is it just me or do we have three nuts now
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Post by ronnie on Nov 23, 2010 21:33:48 GMT 2
Hi Marius It could be you and it could be me ;D I think there may be three Ronnie
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Nov 23, 2010 21:36:31 GMT 2
I have no idea but I know there are 3 of youdebating this topic, Ventz, Ronnie & Marius.
Ari
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Post by marius on Nov 24, 2010 6:45:00 GMT 2
Now it is definitely 4 ;D
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Post by ronnie on Nov 24, 2010 9:11:50 GMT 2
Hi Marius Are you sure ;D. I am sure the one Ventz sent me is correct so I will not worry. Ronnie
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Post by marius on Nov 25, 2010 17:51:31 GMT 2
Hi all Apologies to Ventz as he was correct in his statement with regard to the spring washer replacing the lock washer in 1997. That throws my run-in theory a bit ;D In any case the Niva was never serviced by CMH at 3000kms as they should have done 1997 was also the time when the 5th gear was introduced and soon after wards problems aroused with the 5th gear jumping. As we all know things change and certain modifications and improvements have been made to the Niva throughout it's production - even today. I believe that in an effort to rectify the 5th gear issue VAZ reverted back to the lock washer as a means of securing the nut as both the 2003 and 2007 Spare Parts Manuals reflect the lock washer and not the spring washer. Hopefully we will get some official explanation on this matter soon. Regards Marius
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