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Post by Duane on Oct 21, 2010 22:12:11 GMT 2
Hi All
I dont know if any of you have heard of hydrogen generators! a Good mate of mine bought a Merc ML270 , he got a hell of a surprise with the fuel consumption 16l/100km and he was used to 8l/100km with his old Merc so he started investicating all options to to get the ML lighter on "sous" and he started playing with HHO generators! He imported one for about R600 and is about 100x100x50mm big installed it only temp. and his consumption dropped to 11l/100km, motor runs cooller starts easier etc.etc. They recon it works even better on petrol models!!
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Duane
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Post by Charles on Oct 21, 2010 22:58:30 GMT 2
Hi Duane
Do you have any more info?
Charles
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Post by bobbyd on Oct 22, 2010 5:00:24 GMT 2
I have plans for one, we built one and it is on my mates isusu truck, it made the fuel consuption better, less combustion knock etc a winner all round. I havent made one for myself because I have been busy going around in circles for the last year!!!!!!!!!! I can email the plans to anyone who is keen, they are the real deal
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Post by Hein on Oct 22, 2010 8:19:56 GMT 2
Hi Bobby
You can send me a set of these plans. I have started looking at it a while back but could not get directions on actual fitments to fuel system. What I do know about HHD is that it seems to be the norm that the ratio of fuel to hydrogen is about 1/3 hydrogen to 2/3 fuel. Most cars have about a 30% fuel saving. If setup correctly you might even get a increase in power.
It is easy to build, but I would rather build a unit that I know somebody build before.
Thanks
Hein
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Post by Duane on Oct 22, 2010 14:41:50 GMT 2
Hi Charles Hein
It is a real simple setup!
I'll ask Shaun to forward me his details and the website's he got his info on!
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Duane
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Post by danie on Oct 22, 2010 22:04:42 GMT 2
I did a Google search about Hydrogen generators, and most positive comments about these systems seem to be made by people or companies who sell (or sold) this "fuel saving" kits. By having a look at the dates on which comments have been passed on the web in this regard, it seems like discussions have gone all quite lately...... It might be worthwhile having a look at reports like this as well : www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10535007Danie
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Post by Hein on Oct 23, 2010 9:39:23 GMT 2
Hi Guys
I have looked at HHO a while back and got side tracked due to all the repairs on my Lada. So I decided since I am trying everything to get my Lada to run at low fuel consumption I will attempt to build a hydrogen fuel cell for the Lada. As soon as I have all the components I will post some pics. This will be trial and error as I would like to start small so that in the beginning I do not have to change the alternator. A large unit draws up to 40amps which will kill the standard Lada alternator.
I have got a few plans, but will use all to decide which components is the best to start with.
I need a few more components to start with, so keep an eye on this space.
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Hein
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Post by Charles on Oct 23, 2010 16:59:00 GMT 2
Hi Hein
40amps is alot. have you considered a 2nd altenator. i have a 130amp one at work. but it needs to run a overspin pully otherwise it kills the belt and waterpump.
Charles
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Post by Hein on Oct 23, 2010 17:51:14 GMT 2
Hi Charles
I have thought of a complete 2nd setup like that when it gets to it but for now I hope to only draw 15amp for a start. Will start with a 2 or 3 cell unit and work my way up. The amps you draw is also determined by the amount of electrolyte you put in the water so it can be determined by trial and error.
I bought most of the plumbing today and will hopefully get all the electronics next week.
Hein
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Post by ronnie on Oct 23, 2010 19:57:36 GMT 2
Hi Hein
This set up will need to produce a good power boost just to power the alternator. Put just 20 amp on and the revs drop by 200rpm. At least mine does.
Ronnie
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Post by ronnie on Oct 23, 2010 20:02:37 GMT 2
Hi Danie
That report does not give you much confidence in Hydrogen generators. If they are that good why do the car manufacturers not use them?.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Oct 23, 2010 20:08:51 GMT 2
One forgets how much power a altenator can pull.
Charles
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Post by Duane on Oct 23, 2010 20:36:02 GMT 2
Hi Guys
The one Shaun uses produces 2L of hydrogen gas per minute at 6 amps! He uses 1 teaspoon of causticsoda per litre of water!! He really says it is worth the effort!! Wil still contact him for his info!! I believe there is a lot off politics involved in hydrogen generators with the fuel companies!!
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Post by Charles on Oct 23, 2010 20:49:44 GMT 2
Hi Duane
Will you send me any info/plans you have? What soda is it you add to the water? I have never heard of it.
Charles
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Post by marius on Oct 23, 2010 20:55:43 GMT 2
The REAL WAR was between the electric car designers and the oil cmpy's - hydrogen was/is just a diversion
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Post by ronnie on Oct 23, 2010 21:04:51 GMT 2
Hi Marius
Unless there is a breakthrough in batteries, the electric car will never be a viable alternative to petrol/diesel power.
Ronnie
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Post by danie on Oct 23, 2010 21:08:40 GMT 2
What soda is it you add to the water? I have never heard of it. Charles Hi Charles Caustic soda is "seepsoda" (and "bytsoda" I think) in Afrikaans. Quite dangerous stuff if not treated with great care. Destroy human skin to the flesh if it gets in direct contact. Can be used to clean blocked drains. Danie
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Post by Charles on Oct 23, 2010 21:10:57 GMT 2
Now i know whau you are talking about. Hho is facinating.
Charles
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Post by Hein on Oct 23, 2010 21:20:31 GMT 2
One can also use normal baking soda. Easier on the skin.
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Post by Charles on Oct 23, 2010 21:27:00 GMT 2
If i understand correctly it must just be a alkaline, but the stronger the better?
Charles
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Post by Duane on Nov 3, 2010 21:51:43 GMT 2
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Post by 90ladaniva on Feb 29, 2012 10:58:12 GMT 2
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Post by 90ladaniva on Feb 29, 2012 11:10:53 GMT 2
Hi all ,I will start a new thread on your forum as i would like to show you some of my work done on my Lada Niva .This includes my recent project of my HHO System which is instaled and first test results of the unit .You may find some of this stuff really interesting to know and play with your selves as i did .Cheers Trev .
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Post by half on Feb 29, 2012 21:35:04 GMT 2
www.phillipscompany.4t.com/HYDROGEN.htmlI built one for my old niva a couple of years ago, but I had trouble with the high power required and getting a good seal on the generator jar, So at the moment I am lurking, but keeping my ear to the ground about things The site above really interests me as I am running the same engine in the wifes car, and there is plenty of room in the lada to fit it. Another reason I have kept quiet is the negative respose that I have had when I post about HHO in some forums. A lot of people think you are selling snake oil ,but dont know anything about it and just believe the oil companys, and the govts. They dont want it because they will lose the taxes off fuel, So unless they can tax it to death they will never support anything like this, and will wait until the last barrel of oil is out of the ground, then panic. Its the same as cigerettes, they talk the talk but really dont want people to give up because of the tax take www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10788044
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Post by 90ladaniva on Mar 1, 2012 3:14:59 GMT 2
Hello Half ,I totally agree with what you say in your second half of your reply above .There does however seem to be a some what negativity out there when the word HHO systems gets mentioned .Most negativity as you say is from the oil companies and governments .I doubt that the government know which end the cow eats from Anyway.The unit i have is a real great little unit and fits nice and snug in the front left hand corner of the Niva engine bay .I have a heat sheild behind the fuel booster to direct the heat from the radiator away from the booster .The fuel savings are nothing short of amazing mate .Have fun with it i say.Cheers Trev
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Post by 90ladaniva on Mar 14, 2012 15:03:55 GMT 2
Well Looks like things have gone quiet on this subject at the moment so whats happened has every one solved there fuel usage issues or what ,Just joking guys .Cheers Trev
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Post by half on Mar 14, 2012 19:52:44 GMT 2
No way .just watching developments wiith an HHo project on the aussie website. looks like a nice unit
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Post by Ladaniva on Mar 14, 2012 22:03:30 GMT 2
Hi Charles, my son is a great fan of Ubuntu (he work with it everyday as an IT techie for one of the bigger companies in South Africa - if you count the users and take into consideration that the even have sites all over Sub Sahara Africa in remote places it is huge in IT terms). The interesting thing for me about the operating systems thing is that they use both Microsoft and Ubuntu and if they want to solve a real issue they fall back on Ubuntu. Apparently the Linux operating systems, like Ubuntu, are also not so plagued by viruses. Please let us know how you find it and Open Office. O ja, before I forget; I am currently helping a friend to rebuild a 1972 landrover (to be recovered by a Niva) station wagon (my liver is really taking a serious knock in the process, but dehydration is not an option). Although aluminum is used extensively in the construction of the vehicle it still suffers from rust a lot. I also still see no advantage in the use of a ladder chassis over a uni-body construction for a 4 x 4 used for recreation/carrying mostly people and their stuff. I am going to order my first HHO kit from the USA the end of the month if somebody wants to join in to save a bit on transport cost. The cost for a kit suitable for a 2500cc engine is $109.00 from Canada ($40.00 for the transport to SA). For me: the cost of +- three tanks of fuel. You save between 20 to 40% on your fuel cost for ever after (I always allow 50% bullshit for any claim that I did not make; so 10 to 20% for me). Good enough for me! No moving parts! Only water out at the end of the kezorze. If that is not a bargain I know nothing! Regards, Fanus
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Post by Charles on Mar 15, 2012 7:38:05 GMT 2
Fanus why do you not build your own HHO generator? Please let us know if it improves fuel consumption.
Charles
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Post by 90ladaniva on Mar 15, 2012 14:59:47 GMT 2
Hi Guys ,I have built one of these things and can verify that they do work extremely well and you will definatly save a lot of fuel .What ever you do just be carefull about how you treat this hydrogen shit as it is very explosive .i have found if you use common sense in your handling of it its perfectly safe but mishandle it and its dangerous shit Good luck ,Cheers Trev .
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