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Post by danie on Jan 10, 2010 12:34:12 GMT 2
It has been mentioned on another Forum that Fiat 1.7 liter Diesel engines, as well as the Fiat 1.7 Turbo diesel engines fit directly on Lada gearboxes without any problem or modification. Some sort of modification needs to be done to fit the starter though. The engine sump, as well well as the front diff mounting brackets will also have to be modified. As far as I know, spareparts for these engines are very expensive in South Africa, so one should make very sure about engine condition / history before buying an engine. If anyone ever try one of these conversions locally, please let us know about performance, fuel consumption, etc. I am not sure about usual price, but I found this ad on the web (not sure about engine condition - engine price R2700 / negotiable): www.junkmail.co.za/v-johannesburg-motor-mail-other-spares-accessories-fiat-strada-17-diesel-engine--QZQYCatQX0582QYRgnQX0001QYAdQXF97937QYEdQX200951Regards Danie
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Post by danie on Jan 16, 2010 14:01:13 GMT 2
I have e.mailed the Lada owner from Macedonia, who reported the first 1.7 Fiat Diesel conversion on a Lada website. I requested more information, and this was his responce:
"I fitted a Fiat 1.7D engine in Niva model from 1982. Diesel engine is much stronger than gasoline. If you do the conversion you will notice from the first ride. I've pulled up a truck on a hill with no troubles. Just turn on low speed (via transfer case) and nothing will stop you.
Fuel consumpsion is variable, depending on what terrain you will go. City consumption is 12 - 13 liters diesel per 100 km. Long distance consumpsion is 7 liters per 100 km. If you are using Niva for heavy terrain consumpsion wount pass 15 liters per 100 km. One Niva tank is fitting diesel around 30 - 35 liters.
Here are answers to questions you have asked: OilPump. Modification to the oil pump are minimal only to the one pipe. But you need to remake the oil holder at the bottom of engine (to look like Niva's original) so front differencial could stay at place .
Starter: Question is what gearbox you will use. If you use Lada's gearbox, it has a little modification to starter and exhaust to be made (starter is going to be mounted under the exhaust) If you could find a Fiat 131 gearbox (or just ring bell) starter fits with no modification on the left side of engine. At my Niva is under the exhaust, so if starter fails, you need to remove intake and exhaust first, then get out the starter.
Other modifications: Also you need to modificate engine holders, and fit the cooling.You can use the standard radiator, but you need to fit an electric fan. Also pipes from cooling pump needs to be modificated.
More Information: Fiat 131 ring bell (gearbox housing) fit on Niva 1600cc engines, as well as 1700cc engines.
Fiat 131 gearboxes fit at the back end of ring bell (bellhousing) of 1600 Niva , as well as 1700 Niva .
Niva Transfer Case can be mounted behind Fiat 131 gearbox without any modification. I think that the Fiat 131 gearbox is the same length as Niva gearbox.
Fiat 132 gearbox is 7cm longer than Niva gearbox, and there are troubles to fit in.
At my niva in the beginning I used a Lada gearbox with 4 gears, two years later I found gearbox with 5 gears from Fiat 131/FSO, I just changed the ringbell at which was mounted starter, and I've fit in the starter with no troubles"
Many thanks to Nikola from Mecedonia for very useful information.
Danie
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Post by danie on Jan 24, 2010 20:58:09 GMT 2
Fiat Diesel engine........
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Post by danie on Jun 28, 2010 17:41:19 GMT 2
Maintenance costs in South Africa seem to be very high on the Fiat 1.7 Diesels.
Today a customer told me that he has covered 156 000 kms with his Strada bakkie - if it wasn't for the Motorplan which has been included when he bought the vehicle, he would have to spend about R80 000 on repairs and maintenance out of his own pocket........
Regards
Danie
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Post by danie on Jul 10, 2011 20:13:05 GMT 2
I haven't visited the Difflock and Lada UK websites for a while, so I have missed some very interesting comments regarding a possible Fiat Diesel engine swap. Anyone who might consider a similar engine swap, should find this info very handy : nivaman Location: New Zealand PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 2:56 am Post subject: Reply with quote "The verdict is in........... Both the Fiat 131 and Lada bellhousings DO bolt up to the Fiat diesel block. The mount holes on the diesel block DO match the standard Niva engine mounts. The diesel engine is the same length as the Fiat petrol engine block. No mounts need be made, you can use the Niva ones, sump needs to be modified. The vacuum pump should be able to be taken off and a diesel alternator with vacuum pump should be able to be mounted, the themostat is on the back of the head so will have to be relocated. The fuel pump appears to be a Bosch item. The exhaust/turbo may have to be moved to fit around the steering box. Aside from the above the Fiat diesel engine will fit straight into the Niva engine room." __________________________________ More handy info : forum.difflock.com/viewtopic.php?t=40332&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0www.lada.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10432&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 I do find it quite interesting that the Fiat twin cam oil sumps - like the two sumps in my possession, do fit to the diesel engines as well. Who knows, maybe the modified sump in my possession could be used on the Fiat diesel engines without any further modifications . Danie
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Post by Charles on Jul 10, 2011 21:16:43 GMT 2
Danie the engine out of the alfa junior is it the same as your fiat twin cam engine?
Charles
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Post by danie on Jul 11, 2011 6:04:25 GMT 2
I do not have any knowledge of the Alfa engines Charles, but I think the engines are different.
Danie
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Post by danie on Jul 22, 2011 21:17:54 GMT 2
Just a warning to anyone who might be considering buying a Fiat gearbox with Bellhousing to be mounted to a Lada engine :
Today I have seen a Fiat 131 gearbox , which have been bought by a local owner - with the intention to mount the 131 Gearbox to the Lada Bell housing.
Well, the 131 Gearbox simply does not fit to the Lada Bellhousing.
Anyone who might be interested in mods like these, will have to try and find a Fiat 124 / 125 Bellhousing .
Danie
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Post by danie on Aug 1, 2011 18:59:51 GMT 2
I might have some exiting news for owners who might be interested in Fiat Diesel conversions: By pure fluke, I have been in contact with a local Importer of used engines from Europe today., And believe me or not - this Importer has got an excellent knowledge about Ladas ! There is a possibility that this Importer might get involved in importing Fiat Diesel engines which can be used at an affordable price - as well as Gearbox components which are needed for these conversions. Interested ? Just watch this space ! Danie
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Post by vincentc on Aug 1, 2011 20:03:04 GMT 2
Hi Danie
It might make more sense to import the Peugeot 1.9 XUD engine. This is what is fitted to the Lada Diesels from the factory.
Regards Vincent
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Post by danie on Aug 1, 2011 20:34:07 GMT 2
Hi Vincent
If I remember correctly, some time ago it has been mentioned at another Lada Forum that the XUD engines are getting very rare as well.
If those engines are indeed still available, I am quite sure that the Importer will be prepared to import them on demand.
The Importer just came back from the UK yesterday, and he seems to be keen to import any engine or gearbox on demand.
So maybe we should just find out whether the XUD engines are still available.
Regards
Danie
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Post by vincentc on Aug 1, 2011 20:36:04 GMT 2
I like the Puegeot engines.
PSA is still the largest manufacturer of diesel engines. A silly fun fact.
regards Vincent
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