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Post by marje46nuns on Jan 24, 2011 20:49:41 GMT 2
My starter motor jammed a few weeks ago and when the 'rocking and knocking' didn’t work I had to get it removed . The guy who removed it tested it using the jump leads and everything seemed fine but when he pulled the Bendix manually with a screwdriver it didn’t return fully. I then took it to an Auto Electrician who initially said there was nothing wrong but undertook to open it and check everything when I mentioned the manual return problem. When I spoke to him earlier today he told me the problem was that the rear housing that holds the brushes was cracked and the armature had taken a bit of a bashing. He also thought that I should look at replacing it - not exactly what I wanted to hear. Can anyone tell me what replacement starters are available locally and what is recommended – I can’t find anything on the forum. Thanks a stack.
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Post by marius on Jan 24, 2011 22:03:28 GMT 2
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Post by ronnie on Jan 25, 2011 8:41:40 GMT 2
I have not had the misfortune to need to repair or examine the starter on mine so I can`t advise you here. I seem to remember that Mike in Cape town repaired his by modifying some readily available parts. I am sure he will post a reply to you or failing that perhaps you could send him a PM. He may even have a spare starter for sale. All his contact details are listed under Technical assistance/ services by Lada owners.
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jan 25, 2011 8:51:32 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
I think Hercules also had starter trouble at some stage.
Ari
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Post by marje46nuns on Jan 25, 2011 16:06:05 GMT 2
Thanks guys - I'll make a plan.
So far I've managed to determine that there doesn't seem to be any replacement starter available locally. There used to be but both have been discontinued.
Best regards
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Post by hotstuff on Jan 25, 2011 18:07:53 GMT 2
Hi Nikki I have a second hand 1 available, just been overhauled and serviced. PM me.
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Post by danie on Jan 25, 2011 20:39:08 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
For what it's worth - during the previous weekend a Lada owner told me that he has ordered a Chinese made starter from e.Bay a wile ago.
Apparently the Chinese starters are dirt cheap, and seems to be quite reliable.
The owner couldn't give me a definite e.Bay address, but told me that he discovered the e.Bay link just by doing a Google search.
If you are interested , I can PM the owner's contact details to you tomorrow .
Regards
Danie
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Post by marje46nuns on Jan 26, 2011 9:06:57 GMT 2
Thanks Mike – I’ve sent you a PM. Danie – thanks for the info but I don’t think I fancy this route as I’ve read some pretty scathing comments on the Lada UK forum about the Chinese stuff. However, I’m keeping all my options open at this stage and despite the weight of these things a new one from Russia may also be a possibility. I’ve already checked out prices on the Lada Parts Russia site and I’m also waiting for a quote from Valeriy who sent me the postal rates a few days ago. Although I’ve only made one enquiry locally so far regarding new ones they seem to be astronomical!! Best regards
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Post by marius on Jan 26, 2011 9:16:28 GMT 2
Hi Nikki Ordering from Russia/EU is a very viable alternative and you will find that after customs get their slice that it was worth the effort - even with a heafty airfare I won't discard all Chinese products as useless - most things that we use in our daily lives are made in China - even if it has a Euro label on it. Bearings made in China don't have a good reputation though. Regards Marius
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Post by danie on Feb 5, 2011 21:40:48 GMT 2
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 5, 2011 23:16:11 GMT 2
Thanks for this Danie - I'll enjoy this site!
I initially thought the starter shown on the website was the same as the one on my quote but then noticed that it's quite a bit heavier -hence the hefty postage!
I also received confirmation from Valeriy earlier on that he does accept PAYPAL payments and was just about to let you know when I saw this.
Thanks again
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Post by marius on Feb 6, 2011 8:00:17 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
It would be interesting when you get a final price on the starter - let us know please.
Regards Marius
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 6, 2011 21:29:39 GMT 2
Hi Guys
When the starter jammed and had to be removed I discovered that the heat shield was missing and presume that it was never put back when I had problems about eighteen months ago.
Could this have contributed in any way to the starter damage, or caused any damage to anything else nearby due to any excessive heat? I will be ordering a replacement heat shield along with the starter motor but is there anything I should be getting checked before these are replaced? Removing a starter seems to be quite an awkward job so I want to avoid having to get it removed again in a hurry!
Marius – I’ll definitely keep you posted with regard to the starter.
Regards
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Post by ronnie on Feb 6, 2011 22:05:31 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
I would guess that plenty of the Nivas do not have the heat shield fitted.(including mine). I also don`t think it will do any damage as plenty of cars have the starter behind the exhaust and are fine. Again if you have one fit it.
Ronnie
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Post by danie on Feb 7, 2011 6:01:00 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
A member of the old Locsa Management Structure once mentioned on one of the International forums that Jan does not re install the heat shields when he works on a starter. So I assume many local Ladas do not have heat shields at the moment.
The heat shield on my Lada has also been removed by somebody before I bought the car more than five years ago, and I never experienced any problems on the starter. So I guess the heat shield is not all that important.
Exactly where is the crack on your starter motor ?
If the crack is near the Bendix drive gear, my guess is that the starter bushes probably got worn - and caused the Bendix Gear and Flywheel Ring Gear not to line up correctly. A misalignment of these gears can cause the starter to "jam", and I guess a cracked starter as well.
So maybe it might be worthwhile to have a close look at the condition of the starter motor Bushes....as well as the condition of the Bendix drive gear, and the condition of the "teeth" on the Flywheel Ring Gear.
Danie
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Post by marius on Feb 7, 2011 7:44:36 GMT 2
Hi all It looks like I am one of the "lucky" few with a heatshield fitted over the starter Perhaps Ventz could comment on the reasons why it was removed during service? Since nobody has brought up the subject I assume chances are remote but is there a possiblity of an aftermarket that could fit as a replacement? Regards Marius
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Post by ronnie on Feb 7, 2011 9:21:43 GMT 2
Hi Danie and Marius
When is an Agent not an Agent ?. When he starts to make unauthorized changes to the vehicle, not recommended by the factory. Another reason to steer clear of this agent. Marius, I can`t remember exactly what the shield looks like and I have no time to look it up at the moment, but if it is missing I would loose no sleep over it. Would I fit one if I could get my hands on one ?, YES.
Ronnie
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Post by marius on Feb 7, 2011 9:31:31 GMT 2
Hi Ronnie
The shield is obviously there for a reason - removing it might not be detramental to the starter (who knows?) and it can certainly make things easier to service, but I would rather keep it in place.
Regards Marius
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Post by Charles on Feb 7, 2011 10:14:18 GMT 2
Guys remember one thing. There will ALWAYS be a mechanic who believes he knows more than a factory full of engineers. I find myself in the same boat sometimes. They I kick myself in the arse and do it the way the factory reccomends.
Charles
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Feb 7, 2011 10:25:00 GMT 2
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Post by darryn on Feb 7, 2011 14:00:37 GMT 2
Good boy Charles! My heat shield was loose when I got the vehicle and one of the lugs was broken- it rattled like hell so I reluctantly took it out. When I redid the Head I fixed it and sprayed it with heat resistant paint. Now I sleep just a little better at night. Though getting my biggish hands down to the wiring for the starter is a really pain in the ass.
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Post by marius on Feb 7, 2011 16:53:13 GMT 2
Don't worry Charles even I have removed a few bits and pieces to make life a bit easier ;D
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Post by Charles on Feb 7, 2011 17:51:46 GMT 2
Hi Marius
If space is a problem I usually just use a fine tuning tool to open it up a bit. ;D ;D ;D
Charles
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Post by danie on Feb 7, 2011 18:55:18 GMT 2
Hi Nikki
Thinking about possible causes which could cause a cracked starter - I think you should talk to the technician who removed the cracked starter again.
Maybe the bolts which hold the starter in place came loose, because it have not been tightened properly when the starter has been re installed previously......a starter which comes loose is a sure recipe for disaster.
Danie
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Post by Charles on Feb 7, 2011 19:38:29 GMT 2
Or it ran with the engine running.
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Post by ronnie on Feb 7, 2011 19:48:48 GMT 2
Hi Danie
Your idea of a loose starter sounds good to me.
Ronnie
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Post by Charles on Feb 7, 2011 19:58:31 GMT 2
You guys will not believe me if i tell you how many +imes i have seen starters held in with only one bolt. Lazy idiots!
Charles
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Post by hotstuff on Feb 7, 2011 21:03:11 GMT 2
Reason for heat shield id to protect the solenoid and cables on the starter. Bloody pain to have on the car when working on it though. I do have a spare one but do not want to fit it back on.
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Post by marje46nuns on Feb 8, 2011 21:37:55 GMT 2
Thank for all the feedback guys – I feel better knowing that my Nikita is not the only ‘Little Darling’ running around SA without a heat shield and that she’ll probably survive her ordeal! Danie – the crack on the starter is right at the back in the brush housing at the point where one of those long bolts goes through. The Bendix drive gear seems fine but the armature doesn’t look too healthy. The bushes seemed okay, but I’m not sure I would know if they weren’t! I also had a look at the ‘teeth’ on the Flywheel Ring Gear and the ones that were visible also looked alright. I don’t think the starter was loose when it was removed recently because I was with the guy when he did it and he would have said something. However, when I took it in previously I recall that guy saying something was loose so the problem probably started back then but went unnoticed as I’ve not used the car much since. Hopefully all will be well with the new starter but I do have a couple more queries concerning another potential problem that may also related to this issue but I’ll raise these later when I’ve given them more thought. My new starter and heat shield have been ordered - it’s the same make as the original and a genuine part. The prices are $149.50 and $5.35 respectively. I’ll also post this on the ‘ Compare Prices on Imports Here’ section and provide details regarding the additional costs involved Regards
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Post by marius on Feb 9, 2011 7:45:26 GMT 2
Hi Nikki It looks like you are getting sorted and with all the taxes and HEAVY air fare you should not be paying much more than R2000 AND it's an original part Regards Marius
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