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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jun 25, 2012 15:13:13 GMT 2
Here are some more. Standard is the lada OEM; Current is my lada right now; 1:1 high range shows what will happen if the TC is removed; Future is where I want my lada; and then for Douw and his debate of what diff ratio he should run; His current setup; if he changes to the highest lada diff ratio. Ari Attachments:
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Post by antone on Jul 4, 2012 15:34:05 GMT 2
OLA!! So i been doing some more research on the 2x2 conversion for the 1600 niva of mine.. Heres what i got: Basically: its just a matter of extending the rear prop-shaft to the gearbox, changing the gearbox flange. And then removing the front diff drive mech so that the diff can spin freely.. Some mixed views from other posters on other forumn: 1.) The speedo. Im just going to use the car for a runner/delivery vehicle and the odd trip to Luanda.. (im not too concerned there! ill just stay behind the car infront of me ). 2.) The gear ratios: Apparently the size of the tires can compensate the variance in gear ratios.. I couldnt get the 195/80/r15's back then so i have 215/70/r15's on. It is said that this could work with the gearbox ratio.. (any comments here will be gr8).. 3.) removing the front diff drive mechanism: Its supposed to be a 18thouand rand job . But i dont see how that is.. or is this my imagination. It seems tyo be quite a simple procedure not too time consuming and not that difficult to get too either.. But if someone can put me in the right frame of mind here.. Appreciated. And thats basically the ""theory"" of whats involved in doing the 2x2 conversion on the Lada 1600... I would like some iput from you guys you all know more then i do about whats involved.. I dont need to race the car to the next traffic light or stay infront of the pack. I also dont want the other cars to wait for me to gain momentum either.. I just need a good little runner that gets me from a - b... and the odd trip to angola (where the roads are now 80% fixed).. I am keen to get going on this project asapp.. My week is clear from friday to friday.. I will post photo's .. Alot of the photos were destroyed whern the car was under water for 4 days but i do have some with my lada ontop of DUNE 7 took 2 flips on the side and several digging sessions but we got it up and down dune 7..
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Post by Charles on Jul 4, 2012 18:26:45 GMT 2
Removing the diff is easy. Im sure Steve will comment as he has done it recently. You must remove the whole diff assemble including the sideshafts. The remove the outher CV's from the sideshafts and just refit them to the hubs and adjust your wheel bearings. I will not be too concerned about the ratios with your tyres.
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Post by vincentc on Jul 4, 2012 22:13:30 GMT 2
Really gr8 responces from everyone. Thank you. I have had tha car for 6+ years, i drove it accross Africa to Morocco. a 2 year trip. I actually never came into a situation where i had to use the transfer box levers. I also realise the car is permanent 4x4 and that could have possibly been a reason. But i saw minibus vans with FULL loads + loads on their roofs equaling the height of the minibus (2x2) make the trip without problems. I do hanggliding and jetskiing, the clearance of the car is enough to satisfy my needs. I used to use my bmw 320I box shape for the same purposes without hassle. I have thought about this long and hard, and 2x2 is the best solution for me. I Just spent R8000 on complete g/box, t/box, r/diff overhaul kits and also a couple of other little goodies.. I then spent another 3000 to fit everything, and now 2 months later i still cant (or rather dont want to) use the car because now the alignment of the t/case is out.. I cant find anyone who can do it either.. And everything is still leaking oil.. Hi Antone I do upwards of 300km a day in my Lada's and have driven them for substantial distances as a 4x2 and 4x4 over similar routes and conditions. My personal experiences are as follows:- in 4x2 mode the Niva spins the rear wheels very easily and when the road conditions are less than perfect it makes the drive very scary. I happened to drive the Niva through a heavy rain storm. How it never spun off the road is a miracle on its own. If you are converting to 4x2 you will need to place additional weight permanently over the back wheels. In std mode the Niva has a very low output per wheel (less than 15kw per wheel) and this in turn puts lower stress on the components. If you are having issues with wear on the components, perhaps you need to check the oils and their quality that you are using. If the oil is NOT and API GL 5 lubricant you will have gearbox Transfer case and diff wear. An easy quick method of assessing the difference is to remove the front propshaft and lock the TC. Drive it like that for a few days and see the difference. Regards Vincent
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Post by vincentc on Jul 4, 2012 22:17:16 GMT 2
But i saw minibus vans with FULL loads + loads on their roofs equaling the height of the minibus (2x2) make the trip without problems. I have travelled in Africa and I have seen the same minibus taxis going all over. Remember that they have MANY passengers to help push him through the mud. The craziest cars are the tiny Kia's and Daihatsu's used as taxi's in Ghana. They are astounding as to where they go and how much they carry in them. Regards Vincent
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Post by antone on Jul 5, 2012 14:03:18 GMT 2
;D at the little Kias in africa-- this is true those cars go anywhere.. I usually travel long distance with a full load anyway.. The main reason for removing the t/case is i am constantly having to align it.. and i have had it!! Im going to start this conversion on friday-- There is one missing piece: how to adapt the gearbox flange.. It was suggested to me to cut it off and put a new flange, but then i can never go back to 4x4 (Incasre im not happy with the 2x2 conversion and the car turns into a night mare drive..).. Does anyone have any idea of how to adapt the flange? this guy seems to have gotten it correct but he hasnt replied to my PM. www.cardomain.com/gallery/2067719He also mentioned a bit of banging to make clearance but im not too concerned about that.. Really gr8 comments and advise thanks. I noted the weight criteria, and the 4x2 test.. But i want to remove the T/Case all together.. Regards Antony
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jul 5, 2012 15:40:50 GMT 2
The GB output shaft is similar to the TC shafts. You can mount one of the TC flanges onto the back of the GB. Just remove it from the TC and remove the 3 hole doughnut mounting from the GB.
Ari
PS your RPM will come down by 20% in all gears for the same speed.
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Post by antone on Jul 6, 2012 19:08:44 GMT 2
@ Ari Bezuidenhout Thanks for the tip with the T/C flange.. I think it will work.. The 20% drop in RPM -- Is this a good thing? or not? --- Sounds good, less wear on the engine...
Turn of events: The prop-shaft guys were closed today but we will start on Monday ;D ... we were talking +_3 days to complete..
The front diff is already pinion free.. was no biggy at all (on the lift with 2 compressor gun's and one helper took approximately 55 minutes labor ) -- (I truly did get a quote for 18K for the conversion to 2x2 from a Mr ........... from ............) won't mention names... but is located in CT...
I will definitely take photo's and post here.. at the end of the job...
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Post by antone on Jul 6, 2012 19:14:17 GMT 2
!!lmao!! CharlesSOunds like you've had some experience there: when i saw this now i had to reply Charles.. Its only one or the other..
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Post by dimitris on Jul 6, 2012 20:06:49 GMT 2
Hi Antone
I do not think about and will not ever do this conversion..... you decide for your own car of course. That's why I will not make any other comment. But you must be very careful because a RWD Niva is very unstable and dangerous ......believe me!!!!!
Cheers Dimitris
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Post by ronnie on Jul 6, 2012 20:15:02 GMT 2
Hi Dimitris
I fully agree with you here. Permanent 4 wheel drive offers superior road holding.
Ronnie
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Post by dimitris on Jul 6, 2012 20:41:18 GMT 2
Ronnie, some owners here mounted the kit which is able to turn the front differential on/off while driving, on tc for the fuel economy, etc. etc you know. When they understood what happened either they didn't use again or took it out and were looking to sell it.
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Post by ronnie on Jul 6, 2012 21:03:35 GMT 2
Hi Dimitris Before buying the Kit they could have simply removed the front prop to have a free trial run. That way they would have saved their money.
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Post by dimitris on Jul 6, 2012 21:11:04 GMT 2
As you know when something new on sale many excited ...... fuel economy, less noise etc. etc. bullshit!!!! ;D ;D
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Post by vincentc on Jul 7, 2012 1:13:03 GMT 2
LOL Dimitris
I understood your Greek perfectly
Regards Vincent
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Post by Charles on Jul 7, 2012 19:52:11 GMT 2
I agree 4wd is better, BUT it is his car and his money so if converting it to 2wd means he is keeping a Niva on the road then so be it.
I just want pics!
Charles
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Post by bill on Jul 10, 2012 17:01:33 GMT 2
Hi Antone I coverted my LADA to 2 wheel drive for a short time due to financial restraints I removed the front diff and drive shafts and the transfer box You can,t just replace the propshaft with a longer one You must lower the rear of the gearbox by approx 25mm because the longer propshaft fouls the tunnel when it bottoms out A Nissan 1400 bakkie prop shortened fits perfectly I can vouch for this conversion as I have done it cheers Bill
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Post by bill on Jul 10, 2012 17:05:55 GMT 2
Hi Antone sorry I forgot to mention there will bee no speedo as the drive is on the TC All I did was drive full time with a GPS much more accurate than the standard speedo Cheers Bill
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Post by Ihar on Jul 11, 2012 15:25:51 GMT 2
Hi
Thanks Bill, that is most interesting.
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Post by grimmwolf on Jul 12, 2012 11:29:24 GMT 2
Hi,
When I bought mine it was already converted to RWD. All I can tell you is, DON'T DO IT!!
I'm currently in the very long process of converting it back to 4x4. So if you want to sell parts...
Some results of the convert to RWD. Gearbox has no place for the speedo cable, so speedo not working. Sitting with a frikken hole in my gearbox as a bearing shot through it as a result of extended propshaft not aligned correctly and driving in 5th.
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Post by Ihar on Jul 12, 2012 11:40:04 GMT 2
Hi Grimm
Ouch, when did that happen?
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Post by Ari Bezuidenhout on Jul 12, 2012 12:37:33 GMT 2
The GB can be adapted for a speedo drive, you will need to get the parts from a Lada Riva GB or Fiat 124, 131 GB.
Ari
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Post by grimmwolf on Jul 13, 2012 7:40:50 GMT 2
Hi ihar,
Last week on the R24. And it would naturally happen when you are in the fast lane with no space to pull off on the shoulder. So annoyed some people as I tried to get over to the left hand side to pull of the road.
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Post by antone on Aug 1, 2013 21:42:36 GMT 2
Hi guys.. Just to tell you that i finally got my car back and its now a 2x2.. I am just waiting on the mechanic to send me the pics of the whole process so i can upload them for you to see.. It took so long because after every phase i redid something else... Currently i am boasting a new gearbox 1600 standard, new longer prop-shaft, no front diff (gives the car a feeling of power steering even with me new wrangler all-terains 215 70r 15), and new exhaust.. Shocks still comming.. i just have the body and interior to go.. I took so long i didn't really need the car, i made do with a scooter and there wasn't anywhere i needed to go i couldn't use public transport to get to.. I only drove the car to wholesly and back to cape town and its been standing since.. Currently im looking for a 1600 carb diaphragm, and alternator relay.. Does anyone know where i can get one? lada.co.uk is closed down
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Post by spikes on Aug 2, 2013 6:22:19 GMT 2
Welcome back Antone,
Thanks for the update
Let's have those pictures, please!
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Post by deanno on Aug 2, 2013 13:44:53 GMT 2
How Reliable is this site? I have a few thing i need on the site.. Deanno
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Post by marius on Aug 2, 2013 15:04:35 GMT 2
How Reliable is this site? I have a few thing i need on the site.. Deanno You can purchase with confidence, a number of our members buy from Pavel and no-one has reported any issues with regard to service as far as I know. Marius
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Post by Ihar on Aug 2, 2013 17:39:30 GMT 2
The only issues i have heard of are not really issues at all. In the odd instance where incorrect quantities or goods are shipped, Pavel makes good at his own cost.
If there was a way to rate his service it would be AAA+++. You may even find the odd "present" in a package once you are a regular customer. If there is stuff you want that is not listed email him and he will try and find it.
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